A simple poll regarding player raid rules

[Kinamur1999]

I don't have a problem with competition,

I just cna't believe that so many of you define competition as training the shit out of everyone

[Dukat]

Originally Posted by Kinamur1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just cna't believe that so many of you define competition as training the shit out of everyone

The thing is, that is only one element of the competition that we can choose to use. We could also be gentlemen about it and opt for a straight DPS race.

[Daldolma]

Why are people focusing on trains? That's a very small part of what a FFA, first to engage raid policy manifests itself into. There will be trains, yes -- but at the end of the day, with no GMs pulling all the strings, training is a two way street. It's very easily done. If you train the shit out of someone else, guess what -- it's coming back. So civility does emerge. This apocalyptic scenario where every guild just repeat trains each other into oblivion doesn't, didn't, never will exist. It's counter-productive. Trains would only be used strategically, and usually denied by the person that carried them out. Just like in live. And just like in live, there will probably be one guild that does train regularly, and that guild will have a terrible reputation and be black-balled by the rest of the major guilds. In fact, that guild will probably have it the worst, as they will be getting return service from 2, 3, maybe even 4 guilds at a time. Which, again, would lead to civility. Reputation and inter-guild relationships would become much more important.

The current system sucks the soul out of end-game EQ. It's completely trivial and completely boring. It wasn't meant to be that way.

[Allizia]

Originally Posted by Brad_mo123 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What are 8? lol. You remind me of a kid who rides his bike with his pants half way down his ass in my area. The obvious choice is FFA without GM intervention. This is meant to reflect a classic live server, right? Simply puy ; if your guild doesnt get to raid than someone needs to step it up and provide real compitition and if not than you dont deserve any main raid target and the loot. The loot you obtain is ment to reflect the skill of the player and with any other raid theme that wouldnt be the case, the meaning of it all is lost.

Wut? I actually ride my bikes

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with my pants half up!

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I just can't justify giving up my life

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and friends

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for nonsense like

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or people like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yONAlBpnn-Q

but good luck with that! I quit a while back, I just haunt the forums now and then

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[rioisk]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are people focusing on trains? That's a very small part of what a FFA, first to engage raid policy manifests itself into. There will be trains, yes -- but at the end of the day, with no GMs pulling all the strings, training is a two way street. It's very easily done. If you train the shit out of someone else, guess what -- it's coming back. So civility does emerge. This apocalyptic scenario where every guild just repeat trains each other into oblivion doesn't, didn't, never will exist. It's counter-productive. Trains would only be used strategically, and usually denied by the person that carried them out. Just like in live. And just like in live, there will probably be one guild that does train regularly, and that guild will have a terrible reputation and be black-balled by the rest of the major guilds. In fact, that guild will probably have it the worst, as they will be getting return service from 2, 3, maybe even 4 guilds at a time. Which, again, would lead to civility. Reputation and inter-guild relationships would become much more important.

The current system sucks the soul out of end-game EQ. It's completely trivial and completely boring. It wasn't meant to be that way.

Agreed. Two way street. Gun in each hand. Civility will emerge out of common interest. If you defect, you risk losing more in the future. Right now the guns belong in the hands of the GMs and we're enforced on how to play. We need to put the guns in the hands of the players and let them go head to head.

Just my opinion.

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[rioisk]

Set us free GMs

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[Bones]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are people focusing on trains? That's a very small part of what a FFA, first to engage raid policy manifests itself into. There will be trains, yes -- but at the end of the day, with no GMs pulling all the strings, training is a two way street. It's very easily done. If you train the shit out of someone else, guess what -- it's coming back. So civility does emerge. This apocalyptic scenario where every guild just repeat trains each other into oblivion doesn't, didn't, never will exist. It's counter-productive. Trains would only be used strategically, and usually denied by the person that carried them out. Just like in live. And just like in live, there will probably be one guild that does train regularly, and that guild will have a terrible reputation and be black-balled by the rest of the major guilds. In fact, that guild will probably have it the worst, as they will be getting return service from 2, 3, maybe even 4 guilds at a time. Which, again, would lead to civility. Reputation and inter-guild relationships would become much more important.

The current system sucks the soul out of end-game EQ. It's completely trivial and completely boring. It wasn't meant to be that way.

I almost want to sig this entire post. Well said, sir.

[Chicka]

Originally Posted by Kinamur1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have a problem with competition,

I just cna't believe that so many of you define competition as training the shit out of everyone

That happens now, don't kid yourself. It will happen on rotations too.

[Allizia]

Don't see how first to engage can be enforced when there will be 100 players from 4 or 5 guilds standing there the second a boss spawns

[Agaron]

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't see how first to engage can be enforced when there will be 100 players from 4 or 5 guilds standing there the second a boss spawns

There's no first to engage rule bs. You can be ks'd in ffa, so there's nothing to enforce.