Is the raid scene really that bad?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Lorraine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't mean to rain on your parade, but actually this WAS, IS, AND WILL BE the case.

TMO as a whole doesn't do this.

The older TMO crew does do this though. They have multiple accounts they have acquired and park characters around that need gear from specific encounters and it saves them from having to run to raid mobs with a main that no longer needs to attend that raid.

Some also have geared alts that need nothing and they use those for the same reason, to keep from having to move their main at a moments notice.

It's a byproduct of the variance system and an entire raiding guild (and a half) quitting the server and selling their characters for low platinum prices (to RMT).

[contemptor]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not TMO, but I have been getting their batphones for a couple months now. Guess what I've never seen on the batphone? "GET YOUR MAINS TO EJ/TD OMG SO WE CAN SOCK FAY/SEV!!!" There have been maybe 2-3 times when FE had a group sitting on VS spawn and TMO wanted to sock or at least have mains logged out in KC, but like I said, camping out at a raid mob with buffs is a trakanon thing.

People track, yes, but I bet track coverage is only like 50% for stuff like naggy, vox, maestro, tal, etc; far from 24/7 on every mob that is in window for all of every window. People log on 40 for trak or VS or good VP dragons, but not for the others I bet. People only log out a raid force for instant respond at maybe 1.5 of the nearly 20 raid targets.

Like I said. That description of "raiding" on p99 was only remotely accurate for 1 of the 18ish raid targets on the server.

50% is 48 hours of a 96 hour (pre-extension) window btw. That's significant, even if you understated at 50%. You don't actually raid these mobs; it's a different feeling when you decide how much you are going to pay TMO for their rots when you respond to their batphone rather than competing for a mob btw. That being said, it's to each their own. I have no problem with the way you play the game. You just have a different perspective.

[Tycko]

Varience is the bad guy.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by zel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only part that is bad about the raiding scene is guilds being able to train other guilds in VP with no consequences on a blue server.

Agreed, but its not just VP.
Trainimg is more or less unenforced in many cases regardless of where it happens during a raid.


I don't think ive ever seen/heard of a member of TMO being suspended for training FE, but it sure has happened. Don't get me wrong FE has trained TMO as well, but we were asked to sit out on the next spawn of whatever mob we trained them at (whether intentional or not don't really matter.)


The issue is mainly there are no rules, or if there are rules they are rarely enforced appropriately.
Either allow training in all zones (super lame imo) or enforce it everywhere.

Training was never allowed by gms on live, btw...incase anyone tries to argue that it was, there are plenty of posts providing evidence in this thread:http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...117238&page=89

[Ajkuhuun]

This thread sort of took a bad turn, when Naena posted his question, it was because the impression we'd been getting from folks was that if you were interested in high end content pretty much don't bother, there just isn't room at the top so to speak. But you know how boards are and gossip, you never really know until you're up there what the real score is and because we just don't have the playtime we used to, we wanted to know if leveling up was a waste of time if we were interested in anything past basic grouping, maybe Sky once we hit the high end. The people we'd been grouping with inferred that basically the folks still going had so much invested in the server that even though raid content for them was non existent it was still worth logging in.

Racing is part of EQ, it always has been, there's absolutely no expectation on our part of WoW style raid content availability. Naena knows firsthand from his experience on live, and even though I started raiding later racing was always part of it. Sometimes guilds worked out rotations, sometimes they didn't, sometimes folks trained eachother to get to a raid mob, it's just the way EQ works.

I think what would have been a better way to phrase the inquiry, would have been to ask if anyone actively races TMO to mobs, or if folks just don't bother. That's really more to the point.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed, but its not just VP.
Trainimg is more or less unenforced in many cases regardless of where it happens during a raid.


I don't think ive ever seen/heard of a member of TMO being suspended for training FE, but it sure has happened. Don't get me wrong FE has trained TMO as well, but we were asked to sit out on the next spawn of whatever mob we trained them at (whether intentional or not don't really matter.)


The issue is mainly there are no rules, or if there are rules they are rarely enforced appropriately.
Either allow training in all zones (super lame imo) or enforce it everywhere.

Training was never allowed by gms on live, btw...incase anyone tries to argue that it was, there are plenty of posts providing evidence in this thread:http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...117238&page=89

outside vp we only have a case where a tmo member was suspended due to intentionall train.

on the other hand our little mania to run fraps have give us many many nice fraps of FE member train wrecking tmo . last one i can remember certain warrior owned by a low lvl necro with a tittle.

anyways talking to you is a waste of time.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Ajkuhuun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread sort of took a bad turn, when Naena posted his question, it was because the impression we'd been getting from folks was that if you were interested in high end content pretty much don't bother, there just isn't room at the top so to speak. But you know how boards are and gossip, you never really know until you're up there what the real score is and because we just don't have the playtime we used to, we wanted to know if leveling up was a waste of time if we were interested in anything past basic grouping, maybe Sky once we hit the high end. The people we'd been grouping with inferred that basically the folks still going had so much invested in the server that even though raid content for them was non existent it was still worth logging in.

Racing is part of EQ, it always has been, there's absolutely no expectation on our part of WoW style raid content availability. Naena knows firsthand from his experience on live, and even though I started raiding later racing was always part of it. Sometimes guilds worked out rotations, sometimes they didn't, sometimes folks trained eachother to get to a raid mob, it's just the way EQ works.

I think what would have been a better way to phrase the inquiry, would have been to ask if anyone actively races TMO to mobs, or if folks just don't bother. That's really more to the point.

No one really races TMO for mobs. The server has almost always had 2+ top end guilds with one being obviously better than the other most of the time. When TMO finally knocked out IB (the long time #1) most of the hardcore guys from that guild left. This left the raid scene with only 1 hardcore raiding guild and several casual guilds. Few hardcore guys joined casual guilds and tried and ultimately failed. Now people cry because they can't beat TMO and be #1 or really even be a competitor.

There is more than enough room to be #2 on p99. However, if your plan involves knocking out TMO or trying to challenge them, you're going to fail. There aren't enough people on p99 anymore that are willing to play with the system that is in place.

If I were to ever come back, I would make a raiding guild and then just completely ignore TMO as raiding competition. Raid what you can and have fun, if they want to taunt just ignore them. The main problems other guilds have had is talking a ton of shit and not being able to back it up.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Ajkuhuun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread sort of took a bad turn, when Naena posted his question, it was because the impression we'd been getting from folks was that if you were interested in high end content pretty much don't bother, there just isn't room at the top so to speak. But you know how boards are and gossip, you never really know until you're up there what the real score is and because we just don't have the playtime we used to, we wanted to know if leveling up was a waste of time if we were interested in anything past basic grouping, maybe Sky once we hit the high end. The people we'd been grouping with inferred that basically the folks still going had so much invested in the server that even though raid content for them was non existent it was still worth logging in.

Racing is part of EQ, it always has been, there's absolutely no expectation on our part of WoW style raid content availability. Naena knows firsthand from his experience on live, and even though I started raiding later racing was always part of it. Sometimes guilds worked out rotations, sometimes they didn't, sometimes folks trained eachother to get to a raid mob, it's just the way EQ works.

I think what would have been a better way to phrase the inquiry, would have been to ask if anyone actively races TMO to mobs, or if folks just don't bother. That's really more to the point.

thank you sir for a good and nice and serius question .
in regard ur question , some guilds compete with tmo or race agaisnt us.
the problem for them is not enough stuff to keep big ammount of people happy.

and many times they pitt people with feeble raid experience or gear.

lately guilds however has been taking it more seriusly and trying to gear up their fellows with plane of sky quests , epics wich dont need big stuff from mobs like inny , ct, vs, trak.

And then u got vp, at this point vp as the op said is controlled by tmo in the sense we kill everything.

being trained or not.
Being real u can dispute TMO easily most of kunark , planar gods,bosses.

But u need to beat them in the race.

easy task? no, possible? yes .

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one really races TMO for mobs. The server has almost always had 2+ top end guilds with one being obviously better than the other most of the time. When TMO finally knocked out IB (the long time #1) most of the hardcore guys from that guild left. This left the raid scene with only 1 hardcore raiding guild and several casual guilds. Few hardcore guys joined casual guilds and tried and ultimately failed. Now people cry because they can't beat TMO and be #1 or really even be a competitor.

There is more than enough room to be #2 on p99. However, if your plan involves knocking out TMO or trying to challenge them, you're going to fail. There aren't enough people on p99 anymore that are willing to play with the system that is in place.

If I were to ever come back, I would make a raiding guild and then just completely ignore TMO as raiding competition. Raid what you can and have fun, if they want to taunt just ignore them. The main problems other guilds have had is talking a ton of shit and not being able to back it up.

jesus Stealin i miss you . as always u dont bite ur tongue and nail it. if i just could make you come back.....

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[Tasslehofp99]

Just need more concise raiding rules and enforcement for them. Other than that no issues with raid scene on p99. I also wish training was outlawed from raiding as its just shitty and a waste of peoples time and it was never allowed by GMa on live despite the large number of players who think it was.


However I won't sit here and try to pretend cockblocking the server out of raid loot for 2+ years so you can sell it isn't just pure greed like some others will. I just can't think of any justification for stuff like that.