why do so many people want a teams server?

[SamwiseRed]

why do people want teams? because teams is perfect for these kind of mmos. anyone who says eq pvp was better than vanilla wow's pvp is a moran. gate pots (hearthstones) had a long CD, no gay ass zone hoping or plugging. mass pvp was actually mass (well over 80v80 at times)

teams gives people incentive to pvp other than just to grief. seriously the only reason i played this lame ruleset so long is because its fun to think of nihilum as the bad guys. i could care less about taking a dragon from them, i just wanted to kill them because they were evil. wish i was better with words because I know i have a valid point. pvping over mobs means nothing to people who dont raid or dont like to raid. a clear and concise enemy however... let the games begin.

nb4 im a roleplaying faggot cuz i very well may be one.

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see how this fixes anything except that it lets the group of druids/wizards wear decent no-drop gear while still attacking people. Going after bags would just chase anyone off the server faster.

Also this server would require even more intensive coding from the devs. I don't see it flying at all. There's no need for compromise here because no one actually wants an item loot server. Again, they all think they're going to loot fungis but when they start playing they cry for item loot to go away. My evidence: EVERY SINGLE ITEM LOOT SERVER THAT HAS EVER EXISTED.

I disagree with this opinion. The experiment has not been run. I particularly disgree that it would take much more effort: 1 thread with 1 GM and people can hand pick the no drop/bind on equip.

Then it is just several hundred database edits + some thousands of automated edits and a quick test to see that the database is working.

I would put a total of 24 man hours on a change like that.

Otherwise we don't know how the economy/community would develop if everyone could wear a lil loot and be proud of their class, not feel gimped, yet compete for fun stuff. We've only run this experiment on hardcore mode in the past. And when it was run on EMU servers the EMU code was way worse than 99's in some cases, or itemization was still way off. With a clean database + working resists, this would be a VERY worthwhile experiment IMHO.

Just my opinion though. I want to see it happen before I rubber stamp it as stupid.

FYI last time I was playing with item loot I was a troll warrior and hate was half hate 1.0 and half 2.0 and mobs were broken ) I didn't "loot fungi's" but it was fun. I don't expect to loot fungis. But it would be fun to have the opportunities. TBH Some pvpers would come back and they would be looting fungi's. Probably to the tune of once a month at the rate population churns here.

[heartbrand]

I don't think you grasp the concept of a message board tomato pal

[Dullah]

Let me get this straight. You're advocating item loot permitted they first add unclassic nodrop items to prevent losing items.

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[runlvlzero]

I advocate a moderate approach to item loot rather than an all or nothing a la cart approach. There will still be things to "risk"

Everyone says the reason they most like item loot is because it makes player agency matter more. Well some people aren't that red. Were playing an MMO not a MUD or a pnp game.

Catering 100% to player agency is not the best solution.

Infact, most people here.

ESPECIALLY the fuckers in Nihilum are blue as fuck and do not like any kind of agency what so ever. And are perfectly happy to "achieve a timesink".

While I think your *are more genuinely interested in player agency, you are no Salem either Ender. Not a shining example of online RP and PvP. So I don't want to hear bitching about making softcore item loot from your pixelated corner. Only people that can bitch IMO are Gustoo, Chewie, Salem, Tunak, yall can cry that I suggest some watered down crap compared to full on freedom.

Lastly I already previously have advocated in the past maximum freedom/agency... Full classic item loot. Even permadeath. FV loot. I've made threads and threads of that. Never will happen. Its a pipe dream.

You can also call this a pipe dream too. But right now I feel like its a really good idea.

Smedy Jesus and other NCC/IF pals u can bitch about softcore versions of item loot aswell.

Everyone else I'm not interested in seeing more of your moronic input/flamebait. At this point its argument for the sake of argument. Nothing analytical or rational about it. Just "this didnt work implemented differently under other circumstances, why you want to implement it that way, it will never work". Fine ... but the shit coming out of your keyboards is pretty dumb. Why the fuck wont it work if you can loot a Mithril BP but not a DF chestplate? People will still want to wear/use Mithril Bps. Same goes for FBSS vs thick leather apron. People are going to wear those FBSS's. And resist gear. Their not going to just roll with some crap. Not the good ones.

Scrubs will always be scrubs, zergs will always be zergs, Nihilum will always be Nihilum. Fuckin pussies worried that some of your gear might become drop able is what U r.

Don't worry. Not in this universe. Not on P99's watch. They got you covered.

I mean I can feel the palpable OCD and fear of not being able to wear Best in Slot pumping through the interwebs. U couldnt hack it without BIS and with item loot.

Its like your sacred duty to acquire, hoard and wear the sacred pixels. Zero else matters. God for bid things were diff. No one is taking it away from you. We just want to make it funner/more challenging for you/us to do it.

[Rexxin]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why do people want teams? because teams is perfect for these kind of mmos. anyone who says eq pvp was better than vanilla wow's pvp is a moran. gate pots (hearthstones) had a long CD, no gay ass zone hoping or plugging. mass pvp was actually mass (well over 80v80 at times)

Agree Teams would be great if we had a player pool of 3-5k, also keep in mind WOW had to begin doing BGs between multiple servers because each server began to have one dominant race and one non existence race all because one race on each server started to gather all the population because they were winning...

hence why this is a bad platform for MMOs

[SamwiseRed]

Originally Posted by Rexxin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agree Teams would be great if we had a player pool of 3-5k, also keep in mind WOW had to begin doing BGs between multiple servers because each server began to have one dominant race and one non existence race all because one race on each server started to gather all the population because they were winning...

hence why this is a bad platform for MMOs

tbh didnt know, i got the fuck outta there when blood elves were added to the horde. terrible terrible arena. only cool BG was AV because it was truely an epic battle (at times an all day war.) adding the quests in the BG was a pretty cool idea as well. i remember doing that summoning thing where a giant NPC would come out and wtf pwn the opposing team or at least allow you to push forward.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by runlvlzero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While I think your *are more genuinely interested in player agency, you are no Salem either Ender. Not a shining example of online RP and PvP. So I don't want to hear bitching about making softcore item loot from your pixelated corner. Only people that can bitch IMO are Gustoo, Chewie, Salem, Tunak, yall can cry that I suggest some watered down crap compared to full on freedom.

Ender's kills and kdr dwarfed anything Salem did, or will do.

Rip Ender.

[SamwiseRed]

rip ender.

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[runlvlzero]

Only thing I know about you is that your spent your time raiding for the trak teeth and got banned for MQ.

You may have engaged in more mass pvp and generated way more "stats" but. I haven't experienced fighting you. Nor do I know about your previous toons on other servers. Your just some DPS rogue in Nihilum for all I know.

Granted I aint shit. So maybe I shouldn't be telling the #1 banned rogue on the box anything about item loot.

Just a scrub. But at least I am willing to risk it rather than just be mad about it.