Account Trading

[Ephi]

Originally Posted by Estu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So sharing an account with a friend or some guildmates (no trade or selling involved) is also illegal now?

Not illegal, purely because we have no way of stopping it. But the account owner assumes all responsibilities for actions taken on the account.

In the past 3 weeks I've banned maybe 10 accounts where a family member or friend used MQ2/SEQ on someones account. We don't really care who uses it, it'll be banned.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Ephi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the past 3 weeks I've banned maybe 10 accounts where a family member or friend used MQ2/SEQ on someones account.

Omg, what idiots. Its widely broadcast that running those programs is totally detectable.

[Nocte]

FINALLY.

[Triangle]

Why was the account holding the character Mythoxxus unbanned?

Mythoxxus was originally banned after being traded from his original owner to a new owner who was involved in RMT activity (platlord).

According to your rules, then and now, account owners take responsibility for the actions of past-owners.

However the new Mythoxxus paid platlord or one of his cronies for a banned account (who would do this unless they already had knowledge that it would be unbanned?). Once the new Mythoxxus took over the account, some unknown GM unbanned the account and Mythoxxus is now currently playing on the server.

Here are some SS's of some evidence:

1) http://s18.postimg.org/dkjr9w0ih/EQ000103.png

2)http://s2.postimg.org/ec9iderux/EQ000105.png

3)http://postimg.org/image/hfx2ep8xt/

4)http://postimg.org/image/868m6ssqj/

FWIW: the new Mythoxxus seems like a very decent guy. I weighed for a long time whether or not I should post this, not only because he is a good guy but because I am sticking my neck out as well. However I do not like double standards, especially when they are not really known to the community. I think we deserve an answer as to why this was allowed to happen. Thanks guys.

[senna]

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[Messie]

Originally Posted by Triangle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why was the account holding the character Mythoxxus unbanned?

Mythoxxus was originally banned after being traded from his original owner to a new owner who was involved in RMT activity (platlord).

According to your rules, then and now, account owners take responsibility for the actions of past-owners.

However the new Mythoxxus paid platlord or one of his cronies for a banned account (who would do this unless they already had knowledge that it would be unbanned?). Once the new Mythoxxus took over the account, some unknown GM unbanned the account and Mythoxxus is now currently playing on the server.

Here are some SS's of some evidence:

1) http://s18.postimg.org/dkjr9w0ih/EQ000103.png

2)http://s2.postimg.org/ec9iderux/EQ000105.png

3)http://postimg.org/image/hfx2ep8xt/

4)http://postimg.org/image/868m6ssqj/

FWIW: the new Mythoxxus seems like a very decent guy. I weighed for a long time whether or not I should post this, not only because he is a good guy but because I am sticking my neck out as well. However I do not like double standards, especially when they are not really known to the community. I think we deserve an answer as to why this was allowed to happen. Thanks guys.

quite a post - have you thought about making a forum post w the topic in the server chat? not a ton of people check the news & announcements section and many more will never see this due to the topic differing from your post.

[Llodd]

Nice.

Now, anychance you could backdate this to server birth? That would put the cherry on the cake.

[Ephi]

Originally Posted by Triangle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However I do not like double standards, especially when they are not really known to the community. I think we deserve an answer as to why this was allowed to happen.

Here's your answer: GM discretion. I know, you all hate that.

The general rule is we don't unban accounts that someone else got flagged for MQ2, blah blah blah. But there is a scenario in there where GM discretion comes into play.

There are a variety of reasons why a GM might unban an account with a bad history:

The player:

1. Worked with us to expose a much bigger issue (most common reason)
2. Was patient, calm, and understanding. (rarely works, need more than that)
3. Made a great case for why the character should be unbanned or returned to its original owner (rarely works, must include #1 and #2)

Flame on, but this is how it works. If you get banned, and then help us do some greater good for the server, we might consider reinstating one or more of your accounts (usually stripped or deleveled).

EDIT: I won't be answering follow-up questions to this, or anything specific to the case you mentioned. So, don't bother asking.

[Triangle]

Originally Posted by Ephi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's your answer: GM discretion. I know, you all hate that.

The general rule is we don't unban accounts that someone else got flagged for MQ2, blah blah blah. But there is a scenario in there where GM discretion comes into play.

There are a variety of reasons why a GM might unban an account with a bad history:

The player:

1. Worked with us to expose a much bigger issue (most common reason)
2. Was patient, calm, and understanding. (rarely works, need more than that)
3. Made a great case for why the character should be unbanned or returned to its original owner (rarely works, must include #1 and #2)

Flame on, but this is how it works. If you get banned, and then help us do some greater good for the server, we might consider reinstating one or more of your accounts (usually stripped or deleveled).

EDIT: I won't be answering follow-up questions to this, or anything specific to the case you mentioned. So, don't bother asking.

Thanks for posting this.

[Karafa]

Originally Posted by Triangle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why was the account holding the character Mythoxxus unbanned?

Mythoxxus was originally banned after being traded from his original owner to a new owner who was involved in RMT activity (platlord).

According to your rules, then and now, account owners take responsibility for the actions of past-owners.

However the new Mythoxxus paid platlord or one of his cronies for a banned account (who would do this unless they already had knowledge that it would be unbanned?). Once the new Mythoxxus took over the account, some unknown GM unbanned the account and Mythoxxus is now currently playing on the server.

Here are some SS's of some evidence:

1) http://s18.postimg.org/dkjr9w0ih/EQ000103.png

2)http://s2.postimg.org/ec9iderux/EQ000105.png

3)http://postimg.org/image/hfx2ep8xt/

4)http://postimg.org/image/868m6ssqj/

FWIW: the new Mythoxxus seems like a very decent guy. I weighed for a long time whether or not I should post this, not only because he is a good guy but because I am sticking my neck out as well. However I do not like double standards, especially when they are not really known to the community. I think we deserve an answer as to why this was allowed to happen. Thanks guys.

Platlord never had access to Mythoxxus, it was Stabbityjoe who stole gear/plat from Platlord and equipped Mythoxxus with it, hence why it got banned. I was the original owner, and out of the good graces of Ephi/Sirken I was able to get it back as long as Stabbityjoe no longer had the ability to log into the account. Also this happened weeks prior to any ruling on account trading or selling.

Edit: As I said, I had prior knowledge that it could possibly be unbanned, and I went through the proper channels (petition/pm/patience) to do so. It was ultimately the kindness of the staff to +1 the pop and give me the opportunity to play here again.