HBB was this you?

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've seen girls who are blacked out drunk ask guys for sex, beg them for it, guy is drunk and goes for it then gets accused of rape the next day.

Guy had no idea she was blackout, just that she was drunk and so was he.

he would have gone to prison if it wasn't for a bunch of eyewitnesses saying she was conscious and asking for sex. lucky for him she was doing it loud enough for other people to hear.

Well he'd have been one of the pathetically few who actually have some sort of action pursued against him.

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Everybody seems to ignore the very basic history of rape that gives this entire issue its vital context. Rape has been the story of women in all its forms since the beginning of the human species: rape of livelihood, rape of personhood, rape of domestic slavery, rape of objectification. You need to read a freaking book. Try "Woman At Point Zero," or any other factual account of a woman's experience in a traditional society for some context rather than glean clues about the essence of womanhood from hentai.

Case closed.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

she drank until she blacked/passed out

let me point out, again, that these are not the same thing.

black out means your brain is incapable of recording events as memories. you're still capable of being conscious and making decisions.

passed out means that you're capable of doing nothing but sleep.

the post made by the woman leaves her state undefined between the two. i've had a woman black out drunk aggressively come onto me. i've been black out drunk and had sex before.

should i go to jail for position 1? should my partner be in jail for position 2?

not no but hell no.

people need to be held accountable for their own actions and quit trying to pass the responsibility on to those around them. she doesn't know if she agreed or not.

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't matter how much a woman drinks or whether or not you can correctly identify logical fallacies. You're scrambling for any excuse to fuck an unconscious woman. It's rape no matter what kind of bullshit you come up with.

except for when she's the aggressor. you don't drink much, do you? and if you think it's fun to have sex with a partner who just lies there, you don't have sex much, either.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've seen girls who are blacked out drunk ask guys for sex, beg them for it, guy is drunk and goes for it then gets accused of rape the next day.

Guy had no idea she was blackout, just that she was drunk and so was he.

he would have gone to prison if it wasn't for a bunch of eyewitnesses saying she was conscious and asking for sex. lucky for him she was doing it loud enough for other people to hear.

The whole 'girl who's unconcious is getting raped' thing is a fine line. On one hand, yeah, going up to a girl who's passed out and fucking her, is definitely rape. having sex with a girl who just a moment ago was sucking your dick and letting you fuck her and then passed out and you finish is not rape, but i assure you there's many women who claim it was the next day.

not condoning rape in any form, just saying its not all black and white, there is a gray area when it comes to this topic. Guys should be just as susceptible to this as women (i have male friends who have been fucked while they were passed out or close to it and saying no, and you'd better believe the police laughed at him when he tried to report a rape. If he had been a women they would have had a rape kit out and had her in the hospital within 30 mins of the phonecall).

this. this. a thousand times, this. this person lives in the real world, not like hbb, alawen, kagatgoaietab, or malice_moron.

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

let me point out, again, that these are not the same thing.

black out means your brain is incapable of recording events as memories. you're still capable of being conscious and making decisions.

passed out means that you're capable of doing nothing but sleep.

Doesn't even freaking matter, bra. The law is that intoxicated individuals cannot legally consent to sexual intercourse. You're taking your chances on that one if your logic is just, "Well, she's coming onto me so what could go wrong?!" It's just like entering into a contract. The contract is not legally binding if one party was intoxicated to the point of impairing judgment.

Why don't you attend some consent seminar at your logic university or community college? I think you'd really learn a lot about other people that exist alongside you on planet Earth and sadly have to interact with you.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doesn't even freaking matter, bra. The law is that intoxicated individuals cannot legally consent to sexual intercourse.

so then they raped each other. gotcha. she goes to jail if he does.

moron.

[r00t]

I posed the both parties drunk on a law forum once and they said basically the bitch always wins

[r00t]

Why during rape...a woman fights at first - when penis gets inside they give up - then goes crazy again as man cums?

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I posed the both parties drunk on a law forum once and they said basically the bitch always wins

yeah, and this appears to be the opinion of several people on this thread that also seem to be crying about social injustice in the trayvon thread.

minorities/women aren't always victims and are not automatically given the benefit of the doubt. sorry.

[Malice_Mizer]

Do you need me to give you a lesson about human anatomy or something..?

As soon as a woman mounts a man's sexual canal with her erect penis, it will go both ways. As it stands, in your little scenario, a woman literally has sex done to her. "The U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics states that 91% of rape victims are female and 9% are male, and 99% of rapists are male."

Many countries use "penis" in their DEFINITION of rape. Take Northern Ireland:

(1) If a person (“A”), with A's penis—
(a) without another person (“B”) consenting, and
(b) without any reasonable belief that B consents,
penetrates to any extent, either intending to do so or reckless as to whether there is penetration, the vagina, anus or mouth of B then A commits an offence, to be known as the offence of rape.

I could go on about the inherently sexist and unequal nature and history of sexual intercourse, but I feel it would fall on deaf ears. We have a common law system in the United States. The history and nature of rape indicates that your little scenario accounts for about 0.01% of all possible rapes, you dolt. But again, I don't expect you to do something as radical as consider the experience of another person at any point in your bubble.

[Malice_Mizer]

I know you think you're being all "empowering" by using the key words and phrases like, "Don't victimize women!" But you're being anti-woman to the core, bud. Please don't think you're speaking on anyone's behalf or have anything other than your own personal interest as a rapist in mind.

Perhaps reading a book, entertaining the experience of others, or generally listening to the ideas of a person who doesn't look like you would help you tremendously, smeghead.