If you are Christian and are in the military , will you go to heaven if you kill ?

[Hailto]

People believing in heaven and hell in 2013, l0l.

[Faerie]

Originally Posted by Mandalore93 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because if murder isn't alright, how were they awarded eternal bliss? Your confirmation bias is pretty explicitly spelled out in your post. It's ok for God to forgive murderers and rapists simply because he's God. Do you think he allows murder and rape in heaven? Or is it only allowed on earth?

I never said that murder would prevent a person from attaining heaven. While our earthly sins do take us further from God, they are only a part of what Jesus died for. You're familiar with the "fall from grace" myths, right? The Christian version being that our descendants ate of the Tree of Knowledge (of Good and Evil), and were cast out of the Garden of Eden.

It's that "knowledge" that Jesus wants to free us of. And I feel that knowledge is a bad word to use to describe it these days, because what it really is happens to be a way of thinking; not knowledge itself. This is all of course just my own personal belief, but what the "Knowledge of Good and Evil" means to me is that we began to see abstract things in a more clearly defined manner, which is a spiritual falsity.

"Good and Evil"
"Life and Death"
"Shame and Honor"
"Love and Hate"
"Heaven and Hell"

On and on it goes, until you get to things like God, and Sin. That these things, or indeed anything, is truly separate from any other thing, is the illusion that the majority (perhaps all) of humanity live under, and that is what Jesus has come to free us from. "Eternal bliss" isn't literal bliss (though it's hard to make the distinction), it's an understanding that suffering and bliss are two pieces to the same whole. Heaven isn't a literal place our souls travel to in the afterlife, it's a state of being our souls ascend to.

And yes, God "forgives" us for murder, just as He "forgives" us for the improper (for lack of a better word) way of thinking we have, which would be the bigger sin if sin could be measured. Sin is something we're all born into, and many of us struggle our entire lives against the sins of what may seem like human nature. You're thinking strictly in earthly terms, which is understandable because that's probably all you've been taught to know. But when you're talking about God, you can't try to put Him into earthly terms.

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol @ defining 'god'

True that. I think it's blasphemous to even use the word "God", because that's making a futile attempt at defining "God", and thus takes us further away from "God". God is something you have to feel in your soul, not define (and blur) with human language.

[Hailto]

How did i know that Faerie would be a religious nutter.

[Hailto]

You should reconsider your time spent playing everquest, God frowns upon the use of magic and witchcraft.

[Faerie]

I'm not Christian, but I appreciate their beliefs.

[Hailto]

Wiccan then? Earth mother protect us and guide us.

[Faerie]

I'm pantheistic :P

[Hailto]

Intredasting

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Faerie i want to get you right with god before it's too late my friend you deserve to see the kingdom of heaven

[Mandalore93]

Hippies. The idea of poetic justice is such a nice thing to tell three year olds, but once you hit 5 it's about time to start accepting that life is cruel. Only through hard work, intelligence, and a good bit of luck can we get ahead of the curve.