A regular and casual raiding day on P99.

[raff01]

I think the whole point is that when a small guild has the misfortune to be in the way of the 2 big guilds ever competing against each other, there are casualties...
In other words, some hardcore player's grit and obsession for loot and major raid targets ruin the fun of other guilds...and that's sad.

[Toodles]

Originally Posted by HallygukRZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Disclaimer: This post has not been created to stir drama or point finger at anyone.
My only aim is to _maybe_ have a few people pause and think about how you play a videogame and how it impacts other people.

3PM CET: We hear that Naggy is up and move with a small team of 7 <Europa> guildies to SolB and start clearing to Naggy. Meanwhile 20 members of <The Mystical Order> have zoned in, while we wipe on some FG train (haha, newbs!). We then thought well, you made the race grats! Before gating out we askIvandyrs/Zeelott if we might stay and join the fight, ofc just for the fun. He said "why not, hell yeah" and together we slay the dragon. For some of us this has been a 1st-timer! Ivandyrs was kind enough to even offer us to loot the katana. 7 very happy members of Europa, thanks!

8 PM CET: I'm leading 20 Europa members to port up into Hate and we start our weekly raid fun.
We notice one TMO rogue being there and guessed that Inny was in window. Anyhow, we play like pros and get some nice loots.

10 PM CET: Our tracker says "Hey guys, I think Inny just spawned.. FO REAL". By then TMO and FE members already pile up at WC wiz spire and one of our officers talks to a FE officer and they say:
"Hey, let's have Europa have a shot at Inny. They never did it." Cool move, we think! Although we probably would have wiped anyway...

10:20 PM CET: Inny starts shouting and 20-25 TMO members engage him somewhere. Our raid is camped in church. After we see the numbers dropping, 3-4 minutes, we get Inny and 10+ adds on our raid - wiping us, including clerics.

10:40 PM CET: Inny is killed by TMO. Our members are all dead, 20 minutes of nothing. I contact Eccezan and ask what just happened and why he thought training our raid was a good idea. He apologized and said they had a train themselves and offered to rezz everyone of us at zone in and that we could have 2 loots (clr hammer and enc 1hb) as they don't need it. Aalpha and Flemming dragged and rezzed our corpses.

23:10 PM CET: We can continue to clear some more Hate.
Unfortunately quite a few people have to log as it's late (we are mostly european)
and some of our members have a sour taste left, that someone would do what just happened.


In the end, it all depends on how you want to play the game.
And how you want to be perceived by others.

I feel bad that the Europeans are ahead in the time zones. If they were behind North America, they'd have to put up with the drama and bullshit of other guilds a lot less.

[xarzzardorn]

how magnanimous of FE

if europa was in the church then they shouldn't even be in the way of the pull. blame the awful hate pathing on tmo if it makes you feel better

[raff01]

Originally Posted by xarzzardorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how magnanimous of FE

if europa was in the church then they shouldn't even be in the way of the pull. blame the awful hate pathing on tmo if it makes you feel better

I don't know, but to me it looks like you want to make it sound as if TMO were innocent and Europa was just bitchin because it makes you feel better.

[rafaone]

Didnt Europa get the Inny loot anyways?

This thread is not about looting, is about how 1 guild can screw another one EQ experience without looking back.

But to answer you, Well, yeah 1 piece of shit for 1 hour wasted. Anyway, I still believe we did bad looting anything that day.

[falkun]

Ele, all of that could have been avoided via:
1) OP's point: honest communication
2) Fighting Inny on/near spawn with the few adds that exist between Port-in and Inny when another guild has already cleared to Church
3) Taking the time to clear to Inny when your 'competition' has already backed off

TMO knowingly created a clusterfuck in Hate. This clusterfuck was entirely unnecessary per the facts provided.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ele, all of that could have been avoided via:
1) OP's point: honest communication
2) Fighting Inny on/near spawn with the few adds that exist between Port-in and Inny when another guild has already cleared to Church
3) Taking the time to clear to Inny when your 'competition' has already backed off

I don't disagree with any of those points. The first pull was a poorly executed pull because the puller had bad information about the spawn layout (being told it was mostly clear to Inny), and thus rushing to get pull down to zone in.

[Skope]

So you train a guild (or more than one, as I remember last time we attempted Inny), and with proof the guild that benefited gets a suspension of a single raid mob...

... and you really expect me, or anybody else, to actually follow the rules?

Perhaps I'm out of my fucking mind here, but I really don't think that measly of a punishment is much of a deterrent. In fact, that's probably why Inny turns into a shitshow every single time he's up and why guilds are actively avoiding the crapfest. You've got to record everything that goes on and take a plethora of screenshots and hope you're in the right position and then barely anything happens. I'm not seeing how that's an improvement over that RNG FTE/poopsock thing you hate so much

[enr4ged]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you train a guild (or more than one, as I remember last time we attempted Inny), and with proof the guild that benefited gets a suspension of a single raid mob...

... and you really expect me, or anybody else, to actually follow the rules?

Perhaps I'm out of my fucking mind here, but I really don't think that measly of a punishment is much of a deterrent. In fact, that's probably why Inny turns into a shitshow every single time he's up and why guilds are actively avoiding the crapfest. You've got to record everything that goes on and take a plethora of screenshots and hope you're in the right position and then barely anything happens. I'm not seeing how that's an improvement over that RNG FTE/poopsock thing you hate so much

Pretty much this...
In this current game state I don't even want to put in the effort towards raiding as every encounter I've come across so far has resulted in mass trains and volatile situations in an effort to secure the boss.

Most people would rather avoid those situations.

Clean up the raid scene by enforcing harsher penalties to get most of the scum out of the game and you'd probably get a lot more interest from the people who are respectful of others.

[enr4ged]

I think it's clear from this thread we can assume one of two things:
1. TMO players purposely train other guilds while going for raid bosses.
2. TMO players are unskilled and accidentally train others cause they don't understand the game.