Senate fails the country again.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Millburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love how people think the 2nd amendment was made for personal firearm use. It was established to protect the states right to form and maintain their own militia.

right on the first account, since the first amendment wasn't made for personal firearm use

100% incorrect on the second. it was made for the people to defend themselves from tyrannical government.

also, background checks will do nothing to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. the background checks will only help to create a government sponsored database of gun-owners for future disarmament.

and that's what makes it unconstitutional.

[Clark]

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[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] enjoyed that haha

[Raavak]

Did you see Obama's speech afterwards chewing out the GOP and "special interests"? He said how sad it was this bill failed, and brought up how this bill would help and stated several uncontroversial parts of it. He conveniently left out the controversial parts of the bill that even the Democrats hated.

[Raavak]

After the Boston bombings we need to concentrate more on background checks and a national registry for pressure cookers. All these backroom private pressure cooker sales mean that criminals are getting them.

We also need a size limit. 6 quart pressure cookers? No one needs that much. 3 quarts will do the job. 6 is outrageous and should be outlawed.

Also black pressure cookers need to go. Or ones with finger grip handles. For no particular reason except they look evil.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After the Boston bombings we need to concentrate more on background checks and a national registry for pressure cookers. All these backroom private pressure cooker sales mean that criminals are getting them.

We also need a size limit. 6 quart pressure cookers? No one needs that much. 3 quarts will do the job. 6 is outrageous and should be outlawed.

Also black pressure cookers need to go. Or ones with finger grip handles. For no particular reason except they look evil.

I know you think that you sound clever and somewhat edgy for saying such a thing like this but you don't and you aren't. I need not explain why, and if you think I do just realize that while you may "think" you are accomplishing something here, you and those like you simply are part of the problem.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know you think that you sound clever and somewhat edgy for saying such a thing like this but you don't and you aren't. I need not explain why, and if you think I do just realize that while you may "think" you are accomplishing something here, you and those like you simply are part of the problem.

You can complain about it but can't defend it? Blah blah blah. Listen to me rant about you not deserving the right to defend yourself because me and my neo-lib friends are better and smarter than you.

[Doors]

Gun legislation is bullshit dude face it. Lanza and for that matter every other school shooter had severe mental problems. Obama has been slashing federal aid to mental health organizations, programs, and studies left and right for his budget cuts. He's not stupid.

Supportive housing in the city I live in is being shut down due to lack of funding.
the NAMI branch in my city is being shut down due to lack of funding (http://tribune-democrat.com/local/x2...office-closing).
Nevada is busing it's mentally ill citizens out of the state for treatment because of budget cuts (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...y-ill/2091727/).

If Obama actually gave a shit about making an impact on the problem he would go for the root of it. He just has an agenda to push, nothing more.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gun legislation is bullshit dude face it. Lanza and for that matter every other school shooter had severe mental problems. Obama has been slashing federal aid to mental health organizations, programs, and studies left and right for his budget cuts. He's not stupid.

Supportive housing in the city I live in is being shut down due to lack of funding.
the NAMI branch in my city is being shut down due to lack of funding (http://tribune-democrat.com/local/x2...office-closing).
Nevada is busing it's mentally ill citizens out of the state for treatment because of budget cuts (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...y-ill/2091727/).

If Obama actually gave a shit about making an impact on the problem he would go for the root of it. He just has an agenda to push, nothing more.

Ok you think you're some kind of expert, that you're smart and realistic for the stance that you have. Let me put it this way. Let's assume you are correct (you aren't) about this supposed 'agenda'. Now tell me what he would have to gain from such an agenda. Or are you blind to the fact that there's millions upon millions to be made as a politician sucking the NRA's teat like the GOP has been for the past couple of decades?

[Harrison Remembers]

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I'm having difficulty imagining the level of stupidity necessary to believe that passing more inane laws will stop criminals, those already not following laws, from possessing weapons of any sort.

[Alendria]

This is why I believe amendments to bills in Congress should not be allowed. I would personally be ok with better background checks and closing gunshow loopholes, but I'm not ok with restricting magazine capacities. Same deal with the 'protect Monsato' amendment to the sequestor bill--it would never have passed on its own (hopefully) so they tack it on to sequestration which omgomg has to pass. Lots of other government pork would be eliminated by this as well.

The biggest problem imo with gun legislation is you have a bunch of legislators who have no idea what they're talking about pandering to their constituents who have no idea what the crap they're talking about, such as this example. Therefore, nothing meaningful gets done.