FTE shouts

[falkun]

Originally Posted by knix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will humor your mean spirited query here. You apparently didn't comprehend my question, the question was when the initial FTE feigns death. Currently we have to fraps to show guide staff that the the initial engager had flopped.

Except FTE as a mechanic has ALWAYS been susceptible to this exploitation, Phisting points it out to you:

Originally Posted by Versus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not.

FTE notifications will not solve your issue any more than current GM-reviewed FTE claims. The difference is FTE can now be decided without GM intervention.

If you are having issues with FTE and FD, I suggest your raid not engage until you obtain an affirmative FTE shout. Or, you could be civil human beings and come to an agreement, but why have civility in anything when you can force server CSR to define rules for everything? Sometimes the world doesn't need more rules, it just needs fewer people abusing them.

But you, Knix, are happy to pay millions to the lady who sued after spilling hot coffee on herself because the rule wasn't defined. Common sense should be the rule of this server, not litigation:

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're going to notice in time that i'm a very big advocate of "common sense" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[khanable]

My guess would be it would only reset if there was no one else on the aggro list.

Which makes pulling outdoor dragons a bit weird I guess.

I assume it will only shout if a player actively engages? Not from the mob engaging a player?

Quick tag that level 40 that just got ganked by gore!

[falkun]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I assume it will only shout if a player actively engages? Not from the mob engaging a player?

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What will happen?

Players within a reasonable distance will receive a message stating $npcname engages $playername!

i.e. (Lord Nagafen) : everyone near the fire giant castle would receive a 'Lord Nagafen engages Nilbog!' message, in yellow, if I was first to engage.

The raid mob will shout when a PC is added to its aggro list, regardless of whether that is "actively engaged" or if the "mob engages a player" (think pulling Fay, Sev, or Tal).

Originally Posted by knix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

would this senerio happen?

Monk A engages, gets FTE shout and feigns, mob is in process or resetting, but when attacked by guild B monk, FTE shout doesnt go off?, then guild A has FTE and can engage while guild B is trying to figure out why fte shout didn't go off, why it didn't clear aggro when fd. Giving enough time for other Guild A to get on the aggro list before monk A stands back up and gets killed.

In the split seconds of engagement, decisions have to be made very quickly, as no guild wants to dps and kill a mob for another guild. We have watched Talendor ping pong from North to South for no apparent reason other than players FD, or other shenanigans. If FD doesn't clear aggro completely it will be murky imho.

That's a really stupid question Knix. What do you do currently when you don't have FTE? You disengage. What should you do in the future when you do not get positive confirmation that your engage is legitimate? You disengage. The difference between the current system and FTE notifications is that you'll have instantaneous knowledge of who has FTE, instead of having to guess who has FTE. If your puller does not get affirmative notification of his engage, then hopefully he's smart enough to realize he's on the hate list but was not told he has FTE, therefore he doesn't have FTE and should figure out a way to drop aggro entirely until the other guild wipes and a new FTE can be made.

[Versus]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The raid mob will shout when a PC is added to its aggro list, regardless of whether that is "actively engaged" or if the "mob engages a player" (think pulling Fay, Sev, or Tal).


That's a really stupid question Knix. What do you do currently when you don't have FTE? You disengage. What should you do in the future when you do not get positive confirmation that your engage is legitimate? You disengage. The difference between the current system and FTE notifications is that you'll have instantaneous knowledge of who has FTE, instead of having to guess who has FTE. If your puller does not get affirmative notification of his engage, then hopefully he's smart enough to realize he's on the hate list but was not told he has FTE, therefore he doesn't have FTE and should figure out a way to drop aggro entirely until the other guild wipes and a new FTE can be made.

The issue, Falkun, that she is trying to point out is that the mechanic can be taken advantage of by FD classes. By engaging and getting the shout, one could then FD while Mr. KoS boss mob goes buckwild on the surrounding guild(s) or straight stalling until Mr. KoS boss mob eventually resets. And that is if said FD class does not stand up just prior to Mr. KoS boss mob resetting.

FWIW I am thinking of mobs such as Trak, VS, etc. Close quarters mobs that aren't a long pull.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Versus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By engaging and getting the shout, one could then FD while Mr. KoS boss mob goes buckwild on the surrounding guild(s) or straight stalling until Mr. KoS boss mob eventually resets. And that is if said FD class does not stand up just prior to Mr. KoS boss mob resetting.

how is this any different from the current setup?

also, how do you guarantee that an FD class gets FTE when there's 200(ish) people sitting on the spawn already?

[Versus]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how is this any different from the current setup?

It's not.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also, how do you guarantee that an FD class gets FTE when there's 200(ish) people sitting on the spawn already?

Due to the extended windows, this does not really happen anymore.

[Zapatos]

Thank you so much, Nilbog and whoever else helped! For anyone who's been at dojo or any other poopsock... this change will be an amazing improvement for both players and gms. Thank you!

[happyhappy]

I think the issue is less of the mechanics but more the people trying their darnest to find loopholes to take advantage of.

You are all the reason why people get sued for not specifying their packets of nuts may have contained traces of nuts.

[Ele]

Can we atleast exchange the current variances for new FTE shouts? Or will we be having both?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we atleast exchange the current variances for new FTE shouts? Or will we be having both?

Extended windows are working. Get back in your cage.