Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After Samoht and Zuranthium edited the wiki and changed the ranks and rules just to criticize and lower my kill, I wasn't even going to post the No Charge Kill video. But then Zuranthium took the liberty to post MY video anyways, just to tear down the kills even more. Not only did he completely change all of the ranks, but also he conveniently just happened to place a "buff limit" of TWO whole buffs to be eligible for his "buffed" rank, knowing that I had 3 buffs for the kill. So a kill which had NEVER been done before is suddenly somehow barely even good enough for his new lowest rank possible.

This guy Zuranthium doesn't even play EQ anymore by his own admission. And the Solo Artist Challenge has been around for over a decade... kinda funny how he never gave 2 shits about it at all until I posted a video soloing the King, and now he's on a crusade to impose his own rules and rankings, which will prevent any melee character from ever competing for the top rank kills. Gee, I wonder why he cares all of a sudden, after not doing or saying shit about it for the last 10+ years. But nooo, he's not doing any of this out of pettiness or spite, right?

The equivalent of a chanter (or any caster) killing with only self buffs, is a melee killing with no consumables. If people cannot understand that, then they clearly have never played a melee at end game, much less tried to solo anything challenging with it.

The challenge should award ranks based on the difficulty of the kill. This kill was at the very top of that difficulty ladder (hence why it had never been done before). How Zuranthium can claim that it deserves a lower rank (not just slightly lower, he gave it the LOWEST rank possible) than the 5 different chanters that have done with it relative ease is beyond me, and makes absolutely zero sense.

Dude, Zuranthium changed a wiki page that five people read, for a week (the rankings are now gone entirely). That's all he did.

One hater does not in any way invalidate your accomplishment: you should stop acting like it does.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After Samoht and Zuranthium edited the wiki and changed the ranks and rules just to criticize and lower my kill, I wasn't even going to post the No Charge Kill video. But then Zuranthium took the liberty to post MY video anyways, just to tear down the kills even more. Not only did he completely change all of the ranks, but also he conveniently just happened to place a "buff limit" of TWO whole buffs to be eligible for his "buffed" rank, knowing that I had 3 buffs for the kill. So a kill which had NEVER been done before is suddenly somehow barely even good enough for his new lowest rank possible.

This guy Zuranthium doesn't even play EQ anymore by his own admission. And the Solo Artist Challenge has been around for over a decade... kinda funny how he never gave 2 shits about it at all until I posted a video soloing the King, and now he's on a crusade to impose his own rules and rankings, which will prevent any melee character from ever competing for the top rank kills. Gee, I wonder why he cares all of a sudden, after not doing or saying shit about it for the last 10+ years. But nooo, he's not doing any of this out of pettiness or spite, right?

The equivalent of a chanter (or any caster) killing with only self buffs, is a melee killing with no consumables. If people cannot understand that, then they clearly have never played a melee at end game, much less tried to solo anything challenging with it.

The challenge should award ranks based on the difficulty of the kill. This kill was at the very top of that difficulty ladder (hence why it had never been done before). How Zuranthium can claim that it deserves a lower rank (not just slightly lower, he gave it the LOWEST rank possible) than the 5 different chanters that have done with it relative ease is beyond me, and makes absolutely zero sense.

This is correct. The evidence in this thread clearly shows Zuranthium and Samoht were trolling you. They ended up editing the wiki to troll you, and gloated about it. It still boggles the mind how Loramin took their side instead of yours at every turn. He didn't suspend Zuranthium or Samoht, he locked the page with their changes for a week, and then deleted your changes after the page was unlocked. He then removed the ranks entirely, effectively doing the same thing Zuranthium and Samoht did to you. I am still not sure why he thinks that was the correct course of action.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=442054

Zuranthium has taken it upon himself to write a Star Trek/Everquest/Game of Thrones fan fic to... punish you for having a few raid buffs that mathemarically add up to like 8 wort pot charges I guess? It is very strange.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=651

Here is the math showing the wort pot equivalent to OP's buffs of VoG + Aego + FoS. In that post I said 10 charges, but I forgot to include OP's regen and the fact he could use stave of shielding or dain hammer without those buffs. So its really like 7-8 wort pot charges if OP didn't have VoG + Aego + FoS. This is like 2100-2400 HP, which is less than a reaper. OP has 3.7k HP withpout FoS + Aego, and without Major/Arch Shielding.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He then removed the ranks entirely ... I am still not sure why he thinks that was the correct course of action.

You know exactly why, because I've told you point blank: the wiki is for "encyclopedia-like" content. Throughout it's decade-plus life (ie. since long before I got here), personal opinions have always been limited to Magelos and guide pages (ie. pages with someone's name in them).

Loraen's guide page, with rankings, remains in the wiki; it's a "named page". The (un-named) "Solo Artist Challenge" page will (like everything else in the wiki) only feature content that has a communal consensus.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After Samoht and Zuranthium edited the wiki and changed the ranks and rules just to criticize and lower my kill

Oh, wow. This is some victim complex. We did it just to harm you. Right.

We did it because it was outdated and needed fixing. You are completely unrelated to the changes except you brought them up as needing changes. So thank you for that.

The rest of this is just you being a cry baby lashing out because you're unable to accept criticism. I bet it would be miserable to work with you in any professional capacity.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

conveniently just happened to place a "buff limit" of TWO whole buffs to be eligible for his "buffed" rank, knowing that I had 3 buffs for the kill.

The rule is no more than 2 significant outside buffs. Your kill is still marked as S rank because you only needed 2 buffs. The 3rd one didn't change the end result.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How Zuranthium can claim that it deserves a lower rank (not just slightly lower, he gave it the LOWEST rank possible) than the 5 different chanters that have done with it relative ease is beyond me, and makes absolutely zero sense.

This isn't true whatsoever. The lowest rank possible would be S* with pull help. You kill is at a normal S, only below S+, and has never been marked below S.

It's already been proven melee can do some S+ God tier kills. But that's completely irrelevant anyway. The tier system has nothing to do with a per-class basis. It's simply a description of the factual way that a solo encounter was achieved, and provides useful information to allow people to search for videos and find things that align with the way they'd like to try the encounter.

And again, the tiers are not trying to compare skill between different classes, and challenges aren't meant to be possible at S+ for every class. It's simply not possible. The fact is that the highest raw power of soloing capability in the game is generally Enchanters. Solo challenges are a question of what can possibly be done solo in the game, regardless of what class is used.

You have the highest rated Monk kill on spore king, dunno why you're not happy with that. And it's very annoying that you keep trying to say I posted your video for some nefarious purpose. I posted it so people could see, because it is indeed an accomplishment that has never been publicly uploaded before.

It's also really annoying that you refuse to do actual math and look at the absolute top potential a class has. Probably because you're upset that your character will never have Shroud of Longevity, and thus never will be completely BIS. But that's why intelligent people don't equate gear with skill.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Community-wise more people disagree with Zuranthium and Samoht anyway

Absolutely wrong, but of course you'll keep trying to strawman and ignore facts as always. And importantly, thoughts about tier system is separate from individual opinions about the strict definition of the word "solo". Don't confuse the two. It's something that's happened too much in this thread.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Zuranthium has taken it upon himself to write a Star Trek/Everquest/Game of Thrones fan fic

Someone hasn't watched Solo Leveling yet! You should go do that, so then you can understand all 4 of the references.

You're welcome for the free content, please pre-order my novel when it goes on sale.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone hasn't watched Solo Leveling yet! You should go do that, so then you can understand all 4 of the references.

You're welcome for the free content, please pre-order my novel when it goes on sale.

Creating a fan fic where you violently torture the OP of this thread due to a disagreement about a 20 year old elf-sim MMO is unhinged. There is no defending it, regardless of how much you enjoy the various source materials that inspired it.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=442054

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said, I really would like to see a good ranking system (ie. one that addresses classes, and that everyone agrees on) ... but until one exists, I don't see how people imposing their rankings on others make things better.

I think classes are too disparate to allow anything like that. The first SAC is basically a charm/lull challenge that other classes chose to partake in. Personally I'd like people to come up with a class challenge other people could compete within, with some crossovers if possible. I think it could lead to higher rate of participation.

Intra class hard grades would also be much simpler to deal with. Like a ranger could claim unhasted but if he has epic + sky cloak that's just different damage input compared to an unhasted SK or whatever.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think classes are too disparate to allow anything like that. The first SAC is basically a charm/lull challenge that other classes chose to partake in. Personally I'd like people to come up with a class challenge other people could compete within, with some crossovers if possible. I think it could lead to higher rate of participation.

Intra class hard grades would also be much simpler to deal with. Like a ranger could claim unhasted but if he has epic + sky cloak that's just different damage input compared to an unhasted SK or whatever.

Right, the original list was more or less an Enchanter list, with an invitation for other classes to try it to. But if we're being honest, every class needs its own list: as you just noted, there are vast differences even between two melees.

I think Loraen did something incredibly cool in the original solo artist challenge, but instead of people thinking "how can we make things better?" it seems all anyone wants to do is compare penis sizes tear down each others' solos.

I think we should aim for better, and I think that means separate lists for each class, plus a (near) universal agreement among people who solo that class as to what "tiers" should exist.

[Snaggles]

IMHO the OP should consider putting together a melee solo challenge page or post (since it can’t be edited). Most people aren’t using “strong clickies” these days as they don’t acknowledge those as real kills.

If you detail what went into the kill people who aren’t idiots will respect it.

[loramin]

I'd answer this, but you don't bother to read my answers when I do provide them, so it feels pointless to do so.

(Also, I have already answered this, and you have demonstrated no desire to read or try to understand my answer.)