So that's it for the election.

[Kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm afraid I don't get your point. Do you want to use U6? Do you want to use John Williams' comparisons when a much smaller percentage of women participated in the workforce? More to the point of this article, do you want to compare U3 numbers under Bush with SGS numbers under Obama?

Yes U6 should be used.
Yes the UE flashy number was altered for political gain under Clinton.
I thought I was clear in stating BLS massages numbers and the real economy and employment are in more dire situation. I must've been opaque or you are being dense.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure I'll address the UK whose UE jumped to a new normal 8% in 2008. Also could you tell me what the UK GDP was for the last two quarters. You said they're doing fine so I'm going to guess Q1 GDP around 1-1.5% and Q2 GDP of 1.25-1.75%. Good muddle through numbers not a double dip for sure.

Let me know when you pull UK 2012Q1 and 2012Q2 GDP and post it here to support your everything is fine across the pond theory.

Where are you getting an 'everything is fine across the pond' theory? I didn't cite their current LFP rate -- I cited their 2007 LFP rate.

Our current LFP is higher than Britain's 2007, pre-crisis LFP -- when they logged 3 straight quarters of > 1% GDP growth.

It's also extremely disingenuous to act like 1.75% GDP growth is the high range of "doing fine". The UK hasn't had a quarter of > 1.7% GDP growth since the 80s. 1.75% quarter GDP growth is absolutely, once-in-a-decade (if that) superlative for the UK. Anything 0.8-1.2 has historically been a quality quarter.

[Ferok]

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whoa I wouldn't go that far. Not when PBS is being threatened with extinction while shows called Here Comes Honey Boo Boo are wildly popular.

If PBS has value, the free market will support it. There's lots of room on the television spectrum for quality IP.

[Alarti0001]

Haha

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is alawen your dealing with, he doesn't understand reason. And be careful, if you make him feel too bad his buttbuddy alarti is going to come in here and give you a firm talking to!

It will probably go something like "OMG LOL You suck better yourself pls you are the problem LOL hahahah. Alarti to the rescue! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haha this guy commenting on reason. I love you hatelores, you are endlessly amusing.

[Reiker000]

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[cyryllis]

republicans want to murder your grandparents, force your kids into slavery, deep fry big bird, rape your dog, and they might even punch a dolphin in the face while they are at it- just cause they can.

trust big brother, keep our country in the prime state that its in- vote obama

he will make sure to send the nicest postcards while hes taking his entourage on vacation

[Ephirith]

Fuck your democracy (or consitutional republic).

1. Make citizenship (voting) a privilege earned either through 2 or more years military service or civil service (government work paid at a rate similar to enlisted military). Service guarantees citizenship, bitch. Would you like to know more?

2. Eliminate and reverse suburban sprawl through zoning and building codes. City infrastructure should be efficiently planned and decentralized to facilitate travel either by walking, bicycle, or short, uncongested car rides. The cost of gas siphons an inordinately high amount of disposable income from the average citizen, in addition to logistical effects (shipping). Most of this money is removed from our economy and goes overseas to OPEC.

3. Remove barriers to the further proliferation of nuclear energy. This is the most efficient power source known to mankind, and among the safest. Compare the remote, marginal risk of nuclear accidents to the certainty of damage to public health wrought by coal power. Tens of thousands of cases of lung cancer every year if you include coal mining. The more we use nuclear power the more we will understand and innovate the technology, and it will become even more efficient.

4. Strict population control. One-child or two-child policy for several generations. Forced abortions for violators. Think about how much better life would be if our country had 30 million people instead of 300 million. Each life means so much more-- organization is so much easier, and ~all~ resources would go 10x further.

5. Cut the fuck out of the military. This isn't the cold war, there is no monolithic superpower to challenge us. China is a fucking joke. Of the next 10 largest economies and largest militaries, most of them are our close allies-- and they simply choose to rely on the US military without funding one of their own.

Germany, one of the greatest martial states in human history, is our close ally and largely unarmed. Same with Japan. Counter-insurgency and counter-terrorism can be accomplished with lightweight, intelligent contingents of special forces with excellent logistics and equipment-- NOT an ineffective, expensive occupation. If we do need a huge conventional military again, it is not difficult to re-arm and re-mobilize in a pinch. Huge standing armies and military-industrial complex are a fairly recent development (ww2) for us, and a massive economic burden. This money needs to be going to education and infrastructure.

That's my 5-point plan, lick my ballsack.

[Kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where are you getting an 'everything is fine across the pond' theory? I didn't cite their current LFP rate -- I cited their 2007 LFP rate.

Our current LFP is higher than Britain's 2007, pre-crisis LFP -- when they logged 3 straight quarters of > 1% GDP growth.

It's also extremely disingenuous to act like 1.75% GDP growth is the high range of "doing fine". The UK hasn't had a quarter of > 1.7% GDP growth since the 80s. 1.75% quarter GDP growth is absolutely, once-in-a-decade (if that) superlative for the UK. Anything 0.8-1.2 has historically been a quality quarter.

What on earth are you talking about? Q32011 UK GDP growth rate 2.4%, Q22011 2.1%, hell it was 4.6% in Q32007 it was 4.6%.

Do you even understand what I'm talking about?

[Kraftwerk]

I see it now, I'm talking about YoY annual GDP growth rate not just GDP growth rate. We were discussing different statistical measures.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes U6 should be used.
Yes the UE flashy number was altered for political gain under Clinton.
I thought I was clear in stating BLS massages numbers and the real economy and employment are in more dire situation. I must've been opaque or you are being dense.

Yeah, I'm done with you. The everyone else is stupid approach to discussion has gotten really boring, especially when you ignore the question actually relevant to the current thread. Fuck off.