So how about that Zimmerman trial?

[Misto]

A lot of misdirected hate in this thread. lol

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Misto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A lot of misdirected hate in this thread. lol

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[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Reapin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Something we agree on.

changed my mind

[Misto]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Dis is teh rants n flameorz?

[Malice_Mizer]

Flamers abound!

[TarukShmaruk]

Honestly he's gonna get manslaughter because it's 6 women - a hen house - with no rooster to remind them that logic and evidence, not emotion, is supposed to justify their decision.

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly he's gonna get manslaughter because it's 6 women - a hen house - with no rooster to remind them that logic and evidence, not emotion, is supposed to justify their decision.

Are you honestly going to tell me that you aren't using emotion?

That's the laughable thing about this-- nothing is objective. Objectivity is a myth. You bring to the table your own preconceived notions about life. Logic and evidence serve to justify your own cognitive consistency, not the other way around, friend.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly he's gonna get manslaughter because it's 6 women - a hen house - with no rooster to remind them that logic and evidence, not emotion, is supposed to justify their decision.

flagrant sexism aside, i've heard this type of analysis frequently. basically, that the jury will split the difference with manslaughter based on the emotional pull of martin

i think that shows a sad lack of faith in the jurors. the evidence is flatly insufficient to disprove self defense. that should be the beginning and end of this case, and i believe that at least 1 of the jurors -- and ideally, all 6 of them -- will arrive at that conclusion. unless you agree that self defense has been disproved beyond a reasonable doubt, you cannot even convict him of manslaughter.

i find it very likely that he is acquitted, or at the least, that the jury is hung. if he is convicted, i believe the ruling would almost definitely be overturned on appeal

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Bodeanicus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the whole point of the fucking case, you fucking idiot.

I was going to wait a bit longer for you to respond, but I'm going to bed so I'll just leave this here.

776.012 of the Florida Criminal code is the relevant section on the justifiable use of force. In that section is where you'll find the SYG law which states that there is no duty to retreat in cases of self-defense.

However, should the SYG section be repealed Florida would use the "minority" rule which states that before using deadly force in self-defense "any opportunity to retreat MUST be taken before using deadly force ONLY if retreat is possible with COMPLETE SAFETY." Thus, Florida's use of SYG is irrelevant because Zimmerman's defense is that he used self-defense and was unable to retreat thereby nullifying any possible relevance of the SYG provision. That's it. In this particular case, it is an all or nothing situation. His account either works or it does not. At no point is SYG being asserted as part of his defense, and in no way is it relevant.

I understand that this case is important to you, and that you have very strong feelings over it. However, I respectfully suggest that your arguments would be more persuasive if you would take the time to properly educate yourself.

As before, I humbly invite rebuttal, and I look forward to your well-reasoned and legally supported arguments regarding the use of SYG in the present case.

[Guttzs]

Hi there. Look below for a graphic explanation of what actually happened.