Home Ownership

[Jibartik]

Haha yes I wish that would stick! Guess we have to get involved to spread the idea.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Poor spending/savings habbits are not a result of an indidivudals decision. People didnt just become this way. They were raised this way. Leadership tells them to be this way. Education, entertainment, the media, friends, and family all are in on the deception.

Revenge of the sith and all that.

Good points, personally I think it’s both. It’s obviously ultimately their choice, but they are going to be influenced by what their parents told them, what their peers told them, the school, the media the take in, etc. Those are all definitely factors. But ultimately it’s their choice, and I would hope at least school would be telling kids the right kinds of choices to make for their future, if not their parents

[Jibartik]

I refuse to live in a society where working 9-5 and raising a family in a home you own is considered a failure.

We cant be a society made up of eutrapanuers.

That'd be like brave new world or some shit.

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[robayon]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Poor spending/savings habbits are not a result of an indidivudals decision. People ddidn'tjust become this way. They were raised this way. Leadership tells them to be this way. Education, entertainment, the media, friends, and family all are in on the deception.

I love this point. It is also why I don't stay mad at conservatives, talk to people who are apparently on the road to fascism or some twisted monarchist crap (many conservatives, ancaps, right wing libertarians), talk to people who may have similar social beliefs to me but do not seem to perceive the back-handed way they refer to groups of the disadvantaged (many liberals), and consistently roll in the dirt with my fellow piggies

We're all victims in some way of the degradation taking place all around us, we just don't always engage the correct villains

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I refuse to live in a society where working 9-5 and raising a family in a home you own is considered a failure.

We cant be a society made up of eutrapanuers.

That'd be like brave new world or some shit.

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I'd like to live in a society where the home and job are not necessary to obtaining the family

Note: this does not mean nobody does any work, that is absurd, but less make-work nonsense to get your boss the better model of BMW

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd like to live in a society where the home and job are not necessary to obtaining the family

the closest you can get to that and living in any type of society is Amish or the fundamentalist church of latter-day saints, but the Amish work twice as hard and the FCLS you have to work as a little cobra soldier so that one doesn't really count.

I guess the thing is nothing is free, so how can we live in a society like that, unless we abolish progressive ideas and go back to the tribe and share food?

The plot to a movie with Owen Wilson offered this future, basically an elon musk character mined asteroids, which brought so much money to earth that he created a basic income where everyone could live like they were wealthy and all they do is play video games and start becoming cannibals' or something.

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem with this take is that it overlooks the good works wrought in many places by the faithful of any particular religion. Christianity in general might be the most glaring example of a corrupted faith system, but that is partly because it was used to enable some of history's bloodiest monsters via European and American colonialism and development.

There are plenty of exceptions, though, at least in individual levels

I've said this before but I'd be fine with the type of capitalism Adam Smith laid out, but that isn't what we have now

I really like milton friedmans "capitalism and freedom"

It's not the religion, its the people.
It's not the government, its the people governing.
It's not the money, its the people corrupted by it.

None of the tools are our disposal can stand up to our crafty and subtle ways at making them tools for evil.

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really like milton friedmans "capitalism and freedom"

It's not the religion, its the people.
It's not the government, its the people governing.
It's not the money, its the people corrupted by it.

None of the tools are our disposal can stand up to our crafty and subtle ways at making them tools for evil.

Ew. No. No thanks. If I were you I would not admit to that or tell anyone in meatspace or online about it, ever.

[Gustoo]

Lol say that again after you’ve read it. It’s sound.

Bad news is today we’ve got the government not doing their job so the end result of what we have for “capitalism” is only better than command and control corrupt economies in that we still pretend to believe in small businesses, while doing everything to make them impossible to operate successfully.

[robayon]

What are the things that are being done (or not done) that make so-called small businesses unable to operate successfully?