2020 Election MEGAthread

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah castle is kinda right. Why not, like, consider the points he's making itt for like five seconds and interrogate them with an informed understanding of what the argument is? Taking your ball and going home is the easiest thing in the world to do. People on all sides do it, and they never learn or grow.

He's doing gish gallop and has already surrendered the one point I contested.

We've been hearing about scary China forever

[Castle2.0]

"He made 8 points I will ignore, but I made 1 random unrelated statement he hasn't answered yet.. Therefore, I win the debate."

You didn't make a point. You ignored the following:

Originally Posted by Castle2.0

Economic espionage / IP theft, infiltrating academia to steal research, state subsidies / dumping, general espionage / information gathering (US citizens included), exporting internet control and surveillance technologies to other authoritarian countries, aggressive military operations / island building in the South China Sea, and more.

And then made some random statement.

Originally Posted by Woke Locc

Right, you know so much about China but don't know US company built their internet infrastructure

Piss off, ya toad

Did I miss something?

• Would you like to go back an answer of those questions about China expertise?
  
• Would you care to answer any of the points I have made in the above quote?
  
• Would you like to elaborate on your "omgosh, the US made their infrastructure" as being meaningful in any way?

The current China network (recent 10+ years at least) is China Telecom and China Unicom. It's all Chinese hardware, and the Great Firewall and related internet surveillance tech is Chinese too (Fang Binxing, et all.)

Can you admit you're repeating the "China is not a threat" line bc you heard it on Western MSM and it sounded good, or do you want to keep putting your foot in your mouth, ignoring my points, avoiding my questions, then making random statements and claiming victory?

P.S. I don't know every minute detail there is to know about China and everything China-related, but I know a universe more than you, especially on what is meaningful to the topic of "the threat of China" - just stop dude, it's embarrassing

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"He made 8 points I will ignore, but I made 1 random unrelated statement he hasn't answered yet.. Therefore, I win the debate."

You didn't make a point. You ignored the following:



And then made some random statement.
Did I miss something?

• Would you like to go back an answer of those questions about China expertise?
  
• Would you care to answer any of the points I have made in the above quote?
  
• Would you like to elaborate on your "omgosh, the US made their infrastructure" as being meaningful in any way?

The current China network (recent 10+ years at least) is China Telecom and China Unicom. It's all Chinese hardware, and the Great Firewall and related internet surveillance tech is Chinese too (Fang Binxing, et all.)

Can you admit you're repeating the "China is not a threat" line bc you heard it on Western MSM and it sounded good, or do you want to keep putting your foot in your mouth, ignoring my points, avoiding my questions, then making random statements and claiming victory?

P.S. I don't know every minute detail there is to know about China and everything China-related, but I know a universe more than you, especially on what is meaningful to the topic of "the threat of China" - just stop dude, it's embarrassing

The internet control thing

You'd think a stable genius could figure that out [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Making 8 points at once is a sign of derangement, not debate.

[Castle2.0]

Pretty obvious you lost this debate a while ago.

It's 1 point. China is a threat. I share multiple areas where they are a threat. Can your brain not handle that?

Tell you what - you answer these questions and I'll continue this discussion. Until then, you've been downright embarrassed. I can understand if you wanna quit now (by either more BS responses or just leaving the thread.)

• Would you like to go back an answer of those questions about China expertise?
  
• Would you care to answer any of the areas I mention where China is a threat?
  
• Would you like to elaborate on your "omgosh, the US made their internet infrastructure" as being meaningful in any way?

I say some US companies are beholden to China. Cisco and a few US tech companies joined with Tsinghua University to help with the beginning of the Golden Shield Project. That proves my point. Are you trying to say something else? Or just making a random statement from the 5 pieces of info you heard on the TV about China to show you know something, even if it's irrelevant or proves my point?

[Jibartik]

Castle go to sleep you're doing that thing again where you write really dumb things thinking they are smart!

[Fame]

What would you say the main threat that China represents is? Also I’ve read that it could be advantageous to us to keep buying Chinese products, the idea being that having them make our shitty products keeps them occupied. Is there any truth to that?

I am ignorant but see China as a serious and legitimate threat for two major reasons, population and energy storage.

Enlighten me like you would a child lol

I’m not against you at all so I’m open to anything really. I just don’t know a lot about China

[Castle2.0]

It is late and I do got to get to bed, but I'll give this a shot at 2AM//// the story of China (as told by authorities and enshrined in schoolbooks - which are the exact same for every single kid across China - totally nationalized) is that China was a once glorious nation, but due to foreign invaders they were humiliated and lost that glory, and one day will rise and regain the honor they lost. (Yes, there is some history to support this )

Pretty intense stuff. China is an honor-shame culture like many Eastern cultures. They got back HK from the Brits and now Taiwan is in their crosshairs and of course their claim to the ENTIRE South China Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dash_line). The whole 中国梦 （Chinese Dream) talk by Xi Jinping is about this great rejuvenation. The guy is total Mao Zedong strongman figure. Before him it was more "rule by group." It used to be the Politburo Standing Committee (small group of dudes that are at the top) ruled more as a group even if there is a Chairman (yes 主席 not 总统 - today they call Xi president in English to give him more credibility in the West, but he is the same title as every past leader of the Party/State: Chairman/主席.)

There is a lot of resentment/hatred built up in Chinese culture towards foreigners - don't get me started on the number of State-supported anti-Japanese war TV shows and films that get made glorifying the Chinese martyrs of WW2 - yes, terrible, but how the heck are you going to have peace when you keep the wounds open?

It's a paradox in one sense. It's love-hate. They love Michael Jackson, and can be very friendly, but the poor masses are indoctrinated with this narrative to hate foreign powers - it ebbs and flows. Funny enough the US relationship is even wonkier. We dropped 2 nukes on the Japs and even cut the reparations they owed us (thanks Roosevelt) yada yada we did some good stuff. In one sense, they loved us for what we DID - but they (the govt) can't love us for who we ARE.

But the problem can boil down to we are democratic / capitalist. They are autocratic / communist (with capitalist characteristics to keep that money flowing.) It's a battle of ideologies, a zero-sum conflict. THAT is how they view the relationship. They are competing for influence, competing for prestige, control of cyberspace, etc.

The main threats: economic, cyber, IP, academic, diplomatic etc. It's full-scale competition and they don't play fair.

They want to control WHO, UN, and any other international body. They pay large sums to "think tanks" that say China is doing A-OK. They fund Confucius Institutes to try to build soft power with young adults in the West. It goes on and on.

The Party wants to retain power. They must eliminate threats to keep power. They see the US as a threat, and we are. We are ideologically opposed to their authoritarian, communist, non-liberal way of life. They are competing, and we missed that.

The West WRONGLY assumed if we did business with China, they would liberalize. This didn't happen. Since 2012 when Xi took power (and I was there before he was Chairman) it's gone the opposite way.

There's more to say, but it's late.

Thankfully, Mike Pompeo has a clearer view of China. Even sleepy Joe is coming around on the rhetoric, even though he sold us out to China so his son can get $1B for his "investment fund" from China.

[Castle2.0]

Oh and if you want the FBI's take on it go for it - I'm sure you can get into more details than I have time for here

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/coun...e-china-threat

[kjs86z]

The primary reason why Trump has so much support isn't because he's great...

...its because the left is that fucking awful.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The primary reason why Trump has so much support isn't because he's great...

...its because the left is that fucking awful.

I take the contrary position, Trump is so god awful that demented stuttering ass Biden is an improvement