BDA to Phinigel

[Swish]

what a shit show

[Raev]

Originally Posted by raato [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I bought hand of the reaper with 5pp on first day, but let me know what other nonsense you got if there is anything useful for me

It's time to leave P99 to the poopsockers and super casual levelers IMO. Tons of alternatives: Phinny, P2002, TAKP, new Daybreak progression server X that will come out this summer . . . pick whichever floats your boat. And get to see content past Velious.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's time to leave P99 to the poopsockers and super casual levelers IMO. Tons of alternatives: Phinny, P2002, TAKP, new Daybreak progression server X that will come out this summer . . . pick whichever floats your boat. And get to see content past Velious.

Now now raev!

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's time to leave P99 to the poopsockers and super casual levelers IMO. Tons of alternatives: Phinny, P2002, TAKP, new Daybreak progression server X that will come out this summer . . . pick whichever floats your boat. And get to see content past Velious.

+1

Is there any actual word on a new official prog server or are you speculating?

They just need to make a POP locked server with phinny's rules to make up for eqmac and they'll have subs fo' lyf.

[Raev]

I've only heard rumors, but they would have to be morons not to launch a new progression server every two years. A lot of people will quit after PoP and some will want to play through again, and word will spread etc.

I don't think a PoP locked progression server is a good idea. I mean, how many times do you want to clear your PoTime instance? I think of the progression servers as an outlet for people who didn't clear everything they wanted to in original EQ. You can play 1-60/65/70/whatever expac you are interested in over a few years, and if you still aren't satisfied do it again. A time-locked server should be something more chill: hang around, level a few alts, relax. In other words, TAKP or Project 2002.

I am going to predict here that late in 2017 Project 1999's raid population takes a precipitous nosedive. P2002 and TAKP will release Luclin. Phinny will release a new progression server, and people will have a chance to get in on the ground floor rather than just before Velious like BDA. I'll be curious to see whether A/A are still poopsocking everything when everyone else leaves.

P.S. Merkk as a poopsocker P99 is for you, never leave

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

+1

Is there any actual word on a new official prog server or are you speculating?

They just need to make a POP locked server with phinny's rules to make up for eqmac and they'll have subs fo' lyf.

Question. Dont most servers that have a rather fast timeline just die out?

[arsenalpow]

If they were going to lock the server at PoP they'd need to increase instance lockouts to once or twice a month instead of 6.5 days and stretch the expansion release dates.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've only heard rumors, but they would have to be morons not to launch a new progression server every two years. A lot of people will quit after PoP and some will want to play through again, and word will spread etc.

I don't think a PoP locked progression server is a good idea. I mean, how many times do you want to clear your PoTime instance? I think of the progression servers as an outlet for people who didn't clear everything they wanted to in original EQ. You can play 1-60/65/70/whatever expac you are interested in over a few years, and if you still aren't satisfied do it again. A time-locked server should be something more chill: hang around, level a few alts, relax. In other words, TAKP or Project 2002.

I am going to predict here that late in 2017 Project 1999's raid population takes a precipitous nosedive. P2002 and TAKP will release Luclin. Phinny will release a new progression server, and people will have a chance to get in on the ground floor rather than just before Velious like BDA. I'll be curious to see whether A/A are still poopsocking everything when everyone else leaves.

P.S. Merkk as a poopsocker P99 is for you, never leave

All good points, but I think for every person that wants to play through and eventually quit at the boring content, there is another person that would love to not be rushed knowing content is stuck in time (this is the major reason I'm still on-off with p99 after 7 years) :P

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Question. Dont most servers that have a rather fast timeline just die out?

I don't know anything about prog servers.. never played 'em. I just know fast unlocks steered me away because I don't like the idea of eventually having to stop because the content got gay. I'd feel forced to go hard to do everything while it was available.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

+1

Is there any actual word on a new official prog server or are you speculating?

They just need to make a POP locked server with phinny's rules to make up for eqmac and they'll have subs fo' lyf.

Al'Kabor had longevity due to a few factors.

• Older code base made the game just progress slower. DPS was lower, spells were less powerful, there were fewer AAs, the client forces slower playstyle due to how limiting it is.
• Obscurity with a Mac client / PC Hack client lead to a very small population. Basically even the top guild was running with 30-35 mains during low times and 40-45 during high times. Doing events like Bertoxxulous, Rallos Zek, PoAir/Earth Rings, Coirnav, Rathe Council with only 40~ mains and 5 boxes is just not feasible.
• No 85/15 backflag rule and the lack of checklist flags meant EVERY person who was flagged in Elemental Planes did their flags in order and was required to have every single one. Same with PoTime. Having to devote a few weeks out of every few months to doing an entire backflag cycle to flag 3-4 new recruits was a huge time sink.

Now... I would probably still play an EQLive POP locked server. But it wouldn't have the long lasting effect that Al'Kabor had.

When your spells do 25%~ more damage or heals due to updated spell values, when your Melee parse 25-50% more due to updated Melee tables, when you only need to do PoP flagging once or twice and then just do EP Gods to backflag for each EP by hailing the Essence at the end, or doing PoTime for the P3 backflag drops... there isn't much of a struggle to get into Time and stay there, and of course having 72 members on your raid makes all content trivial. It's not until they cut down raids to 54 man where the challenge in the raids is very substantial and the tiers of guilds show up by who can and who cannot beat the content.

Phinigel will beat PoTime within the week I suspect. I wouldn't be too surprised if some guild is in Elemental Planes in the next day or two. Would be similar on any time locked PoP server.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Question. Dont most servers that have a rather fast timeline just die out?

The servers usually lose some population in PoP and a lot more once the level 70-75 expansions are in. Once you're into the SoF/SoD expansions basically its two or three guilds and that's it.

Phinigel is unique in that it sort of allowed 20 guilds to raid from Classic through PoP when instanced raiding starts. No server before had this many active raid guilds doing the most recent content.

We may see a much larger population in GoD/OoW/DoN/DoD/PoR etc. because These people didn't cap out and run out of things to do early and weren't in the top one or two guilds that actually did shit.

I don't honestly expect a massive hemorrhage of players after PoP. It'll be around PoR time when people start leaving I think.