Catherins attempt at lawyering

[Lazie]

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[Juryiel]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really ? Because most the time now when we get out of VP the only thing left up on repops are Class C mobs. Maybe the larger guilds are killing 2. That still means though that Class R guilds in general would kill more without the class restrictions.

Yes, smaller class R guilds many times don't haev a force, and when they do they can only contest things like Maestro / Naggy / Vox etc due to smaller roster. The larger class R guilds of course get more and higher value targets, and may under your FFA system get more. This may lead to more class R mobs then, you're right. But those would mostly go to the larger class R guilds too. So I think you may be inadvertently agreeing that BDA / Taken are sacrificing loot so that smaller class R guilds can get some, by having this rotation implemented.

[Juryiel]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not on repops. I mean they change class after 6 hours, but if a guild kills their bag limit they have to wait 6 more hours after that. So you have 12 hours usually before Class C can tough a Class R mob. On normal spawns they turn FFA after 6 hours.

No I agree with that, the workings of class R tracking was a separate point about the fact that class R guilds still have to track stuff during their own rotations.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Juryiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, smaller class R guilds many times don't haev a force, and when they do they can only contest things like Maestro / Naggy / Vox etc due to smaller roster. The larger class R guilds of course get more and higher value targets, and may under your FFA system get more. This may lead to more class R mobs then, you're right. But those would mostly go to the larger class R guilds too. So I think you may be inadvertently agreeing that BDA / Taken are sacrificing loot so that smaller class R guilds can get some, by having this rotation implemented.

Oh I never disagreed they weren't. However their are easy mobs. Like Draco/Maestro/Fay/Sev etc. You can do those mobs with limited numbers. Or you can team up with a guild like you guys do now on tougher spawns. You don't face any restrictions either that way to sharing lockouts.

Honestly the whole problem before was less guilds worked together before the raid changes. In this system now there is enough working together to get more done. If you guys had the same guild relations before you could have made a lot of changes without the GM's stepping in.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly the whole problem before was less guilds worked together before the raid changes.

and this is where you're full of shit

[Susano]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing makes me special.

Which is precisely my point. You shouldn't have to be "special" to experience end game content on a free to play version of a 15 year old game. After more than three years the same small minority shouldn't control the majority of content.

I'm calling you greedy. I've been calling you greedy. You're an entitled douche that thinks because they can throw the greatest amount of time at it, they have claim to it as long as the want. Something I was CLEARLY alluding to when commenting that TMO goes after more than 4 mobs.

The point is none of us are special, so put in the effort and get the results. You like to throw the insult "entitled" around, but it seems you don't understand it's use as a derogative. Yes, a group of people who put forth more effort should earn more of a reward.

However, a group of people not wanting to put forth as much effort (you and class R in general) are the ones who feel some sort of entitlement to end game content.

Hope this clears things up for you, but I'm sure it won't. Carry on asking for hand outs.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and this is where you're full of shit

No. It's the truth whether you like to admit it or not. You just like to pretend you did.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. It's the truth whether you like to admit it or not. You just like to pretend you did.

you're an idiot, even if 2-3 guilds worked together with something like CT, TMO would just swoop in and kill it out from whatever guild(s) were chasing it, or Inny, or Maestro, or draco, or Fay, or Sev, etc etc etc

It's wasn't a lack of people/levels to kill the dragon, it was neve being afforded the opportunity because TMO was sooooo concerned with the "thrill of the hunt" and didn't even need the fucking loot.

[Lazie]

For example Chest...

When servers went down for patches before all these changes.... Did you spend time trying to work with guilds outside your own to setup what mobs to go after when the server came back up ? Did you have the level off of site and off server communication with those guilds that you do now ? You're answers are no without a doubt on both counts.

Face it when changes were for sure coming in brought the guilds not TMO/FE/IB together to work something out. The GM's had told you guys for awhile that if you were smart and worked together you could do more. The variance was a big deterrent to that then though and guilds focused more on themselves and going after single targets. No one faults anyone for that Chest it just was what it was. However if you guys had come together 2 years ago and molded systems for the former raid system you would have had success in numbers.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're an idiot, even if 2-3 guilds worked together with something like CT, TMO would just swoop in and kill it out from whatever guild(s) were chasing it, or Inny, or Maestro, or draco, or Fay, or Sev, etc etc etc

It's wasn't a lack of people/levels to kill the dragon, it was neve being afforded the opportunity because TMO was sooooo concerned with the "thrill of the hunt" and didn't even need the fucking loot.

Oh yes call someone an idiot when they smack you with the truth. The problem was you weren't a guy people sought out and you didn't seek outside help. Your pride continuously got in the way.