ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Mandalore93]

He could very well have a glamor on himself. And what better way to disguise himself with the story of his hatred.

Got to say, now that I'm re-reading (listening) I'm like super intensely focused on the smallest of details with my tinfoil hat on hardcore mode.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Mandalore93 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Got to say, now that I'm re-reading (listening) I'm like super intensely focused on the smallest of details with my tinfoil hat on hardcore mode.

Oh me too, for sure.. I'm poring over every word, looking for clues. Only take off the hat when it starts to pinch my head. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Dalven]

Lol, my forum questing is too casual to keep up with this. Brace yourselves for a long assed post.

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm starting to wonder if Gendry will turn out to be Azor Ahai and Dany will be his Nissa Nissa. I wasn't too sure about your Dany/sacrifice theory, Sirken, but some of the clues might just fit. I spent some time today reading both the Lightbringer Prophecy and the chapter in ACoK with Dany in the House of the Undying Ones. Here are a few simple observations:

Azor Ahai forged Lightbringer himself. Gendry is a skilled blacksmith. He makes the steel "sing". (Btw, couldn't the sound Lightbringer would make during forging be what's behind the title: A Song of Ice and Fire? Maybe I'm reaching a little, will have to think more about this..) But doesn't it seem likely that when AA comes again he would need to have smithing skill?

One of the prophesies from the Undying Ones refers to "A blue-eyed king who casts no shadow raises a red sword in his hand." Gendry has blue eyes. Jon Snow's are grey.

I honestly can't remember if anyone else has talked about the Gendry theory in this thread...

I had more to post about Aegon and Dany but I gotta run for now. Let me know if you wanna discuss anything else from the House of the Undying Ones later.

Hey pal! Personally I'm in agreement with Sirken about Gendry - will most likely end up continuing the Baratheon line in some form or another. Also being in with Stoneheart's crew means he'll be keeping some bad ass company at the moment.

With regards to the blue eyed king part of the prophecy I had thought this was a reference to Stannis; the lack of shadows referring to the "shadow babies" he's had out killing Renly and Penrose and the red sword referring to his false Lightbringer. Prophecies from the House of the Undying seem to pan out, on a reread catching the detail about Dany seeing a bloody corpse with a wolf's head was a nice tip to the Red Wedding.

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

About Aegon. I just have this feeling that he's legit and that would make him the prince that was promised. When Dany was in the House of the Undying she saw a scene with Rhaegar and his wife, right after Aegon was born. He definitely proclaims his newborn son the prince that was promised.

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As for Melisadre thinking maybe Jon is possibly Azor Ahai: I dunno. She seems like too much of a charlatan to me, even if she does get some of her predictions right. Plus, I don't think it's Jon because of the subtle clues; like him having the wrong eye color, for one.

Fair enough, but like I saide before I'm all in with Aegon being a Blackfyre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Rhaegar himself was prematurely/wrongly thought to be the PtwP so the Targaryen's have been known to jump the gun with these declarations. The fact that he went with Lyanna perhaps meant that Rhaegar himself later had his doubts and realised the Ice was missing, or was merely seeking the third head due to Elia's sickly state.

As far as Melisandre goes she doesn't think she's a charlaton but as we glean from her PoV she is actually a lot less confident in her interpretations than she lets on but pushes on for the sake of the cause. She doesn't even click that Jon could be AA - she even wonders about the fact that when she tries to call up visions of AA she keeps seeing Jon's face.

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I forgot to mention Maester Aemon saying Dany is the PtwP. At best, it just seemed like he was speculating and wasn't fully coherant (?) while he was on his death bed. That's just my take on it.

Aegon has been wrong about this before, but Dany is certainly a better candidate than Rhaegor was.

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just realized I am assuming too much about Lightbringer here. Does it still exist somewhere? I need to read more. My thoughts on Gendry might make more sense if he actually had to forge the sword. Lol. Taking off tinfoil hat for now. Bedtime. It's been fun.

The theory on Dawn is pretty cool and fits in with Salladhor's version of the AA story.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

or maybe a Martell? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thought did cross my mind but I couldn't see how the Martell's have impacted the Stark girls yet. Can still happen tho!

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

could give a PoV chapter to him? aside from that i could see davos, Asha, or Theon all having a chance to hit Greywater Watch as they are in the general vicinity.

Would certainly have to be the latter half of book 6 - Theon and Asha are up in Winterfell and I think its implied Davos is going to Skagos to try and retrieve Rickon. Of course once that Wall comes down there's gonna be a pretty quick exodus south for a lot of characters lol.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as far as PTWP infos, he song of ice and fire is said to be the prince that was promised's but the content remains unknown. the song of ice and fire is a subject of a prophecy and is eponymous for the A Song of Ice and Fire series.

At the House of the Undying, Daenerys Targaryen sees a man (Rhaegar Targaryen) and overhears him talking to a woman (Elia Martell) nursing a baby. "Aegon… What better name for a king… He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"; When Rhaegar's eyes meet Daenerys's, he says either to her or Elia, "There must be one more… The dragon has three heads", and he picks up a silver harp and begins to play.

However, neither Daenerys nor Ser Jorah Mormont know what the song of ice and fire means. It is implied that there is a connection between the song, the promise, and Daenerys herself. This is established more clearly when Maester Aemon identifies Daenerys as the "prince" that was promised.

The phrase "ice and fire" is also mentioned in the Reeds' oath of loyalty to Bran Stark. The phrase "ice and fire" appears two more times in the books as an example of opposites. However, the song and the promise are never mentioned again, and the song itself remains a mystery.

personally i think the two horns (the dragon horn (fire) that Vic has, and the northern horn (ice) sam has) will play the song of ice and fire. and i think it will involve Dany and Jon, as well as whitewalkers and dragons.

as far as melisandre, i think shes the least capable red priest we've encountered, with Thoros being better than her, and Moqurro being #2 of the order, should be better than Thoros

and yes some people in westeros do know of AA, but not enough. it feels limited to Maesters, historians, and nerds like Sam that are balls deep in the old books. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its the constant "Ice and Fire" theme that leads me away from Dany as fulfilling this role, as ultimately it is Jon who fits the Ice and Fire conditions best, as currently this is all we know about the PtwP prophecy. I'd imagine we'll find out a lot more about what the Maesters know when we get more time with Sam in Oldtown. Also, speaking of Maesters, Marwyn must be due to arrive in Meereen sometime soon.

That's as much as I can do just now. Try not to talk too much until tomorrow =/

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...was merely seeking the third head due to Elia's sickly state...

I don't think she was sick, though. Just had a baby. Is she sickly otherwise? Truly can't remember.

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[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think she was sick, though. Just had a baby. Is she sickly otherwise? Truly can't remember.

More later. Got some stuff to do.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Elia was always referred to as fragile and frail. She was a good and gracious based on what Mormont tells Dany, but frail due to her delicate health, and it's noted she had a very sharp wit.

but after Aegon was born she was to fragile to give him more children.. and you see thats a pretty big problem for Rhaegar because he was trying to bring the PtwP prophecy to fruition and was obsessed over this and that "the dragon must have 3 heads"

a lot of folks believe thats why Rhaegar gave the rose to Lyanna at the tourny of HH, and also why he was willing to run off with Lyanna.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its the constant "Ice and Fire" theme that leads me away from Dany as fulfilling this role, as ultimately it is Jon who fits the Ice and Fire conditions best, as currently this is all we know about the PtwP prophecy. I'd imagine we'll find out a lot more about what the Maesters know when we get more time with Sam in Oldtown. Also, speaking of Maesters, Marwyn must be due to arrive in Meereen sometime soon.

That's as much as I can do just now. Try not to talk too much until tomorrow =/

first on the PtwP and AA, note that only Melisandre seems to think that the PtwP is Azor Ahai reborn. No one else has made that claim. Some believe they are the same person (i do not), and Dany is both. Others believe that the Prince That Was Promised is a seperate entity all together. However, finding candidates for this role is harder, because we know nothing about the PtwP other than he will play a prominent role in the fight against the Others. The only other reference comes from a conversation between Melisandre and Maester Aemon:

“Make no mistake, good sers and valiant brothers, the war we’ve come to fight is no petty squabble over lands and honors. Ours is a war for life itself, and should we fail the world dies with us.”

...All of them seemed surprised to hear Maester Aemon murmur, “It is the war for the dawn you speak of, my lady. But where is the prince that was promised?”

“He stands before you,” Melisandre declared, “though you do not have the eyes to see it. Stannis Baratheon is Azor Ahai come again, the warrior of fire.”

that is literally the only time in the books where AA and PtwP are referred to as the same person. Melisandre is clearly not the most accurate red priest, or to be more correct, her skill at interpreting what she sees in her fires leaves me not 100% trusting of her (even if she truly believes what shes saying, because again of the 3 red priests we've come toknow, its clear she is the least skilled).

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

speaking of Maesters, Marwyn must be due to arrive in Meereen sometime soon.

these damned maesters. they have the ice horn, they have their candles, they have Marwyn (who is going to A) get captured by Victarion, or B) show up in Mereen right as Vic is sacking the town.), they have Alleras (whom is very possibly Sarella Sand in disguise), and we know Jaqan H'gar is also hiding with the maesters. and i have no idea what they are actually up to

[Sirken]

sooo, here's a pretty good breakdown of the trailer for those that havent seen it yet.

Dragons flying over westeros, Theon walking around, Jeyne Poole as Arya, things are happening here bros and sidelles

http://youtu.be/KI09mhO4gak

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sooo, here's a pretty good breakdown of the trailer for those that havent seen it yet.

Dragons flying over westeros, Theon walking around, Jeyne Poole as Arya, things are happening here bros and sidelles

http://youtu.be/KI09mhO4gak

Hmm. Shadow of big-ass dragon over King's Landing. Maybe a dream scene of Daenerys.. or someone else having a nightmare about the dragons returning. I mean, it HAS to be, right?

Really, really looking forward to the Purple Wedding, the fight between the Red Viper & the Mountain, and the battle with the wildlings. I'm also curious about how the show will portray the Sand Snakes (and Dorne in general). Can't have too many badass, scheming women around. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In all, I'm drooling. Can't wait!

Ok, back to the books...

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmm. Shadow of big-ass dragon over King's Landing. Maybe a dream scene of Daenerys.. or someone else having a nightmare about the dragons returning. I mean, it HAS to be, right?
Really, really looking forward to the Purple Wedding, the fight between the Red Viper & the Mountain, and the battle with the wildlings. I'm also curious about how the show will portray the Sand Snakes (and Dorne in general). Can't have too many badass, scheming women around. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
In all, I'm drooling. Can't wait!
Ok, back to the books...

im with you on the dream thing, it could be tyrion, i know hes dreamnt about dragons in the books. if theres dragons in KL this season ill just straight up lose my mind. the purple wedding will be amazing. GRRM is writing that episode and if they can pull off the red wedding that well, i have no doubts for the purple wedding being just as good. to be honest im more excited about the red viper than anything else, and im worried that they arent going to make him as loved as hes gonna need to be. as far as all the BS up north, it looks like they are going to accelerate the shit out of that entire timeline.

as far as the sand snakes im pretty sure that they are all going to be merged into one character for the show based on the casting.

[Sidelle]

I've been doing some thinking about Arya. In "A Dance With Dragons" we learn she will be entering an apprenticeship with Izembaro to become a Faceless Man.

Anyone have a theory about who she will eventually be killing? I believe it will be someone of importance to the story. Might want to put on your tinfoil hats now...

I think she will eventually be the one who will kill Littlefinger so she can save Sansa. It's just an idea. Might be crazy, but I think a little crazy is ok in this thread. To me it seems obvious that her path will become important somehow most likely by killing someone of importance. I just can't guess who or how with certainty. I just believe she will do anything to bring her family (pack) back together again. Ned did tell her that the lone wolf will die, but the pack will survive.

No matter how petty and immature Sansa and Arya were at one point, they have both grown up fast because of everything that happened with their family. They will need each other.