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[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Rader [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Failure, libturd 101, call us racist misogynist homophobes first, then tell us to F off.

thx thats way better! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Rader [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The key is for there to be equality in opportunity, and an inequality of results. Hard work and effort and risk-taking must be seen as the means to achieve a bigger share than their neighbors, otherwise we will all eventually end up sitting at home, smoking dope and playing video games all day. If opportunity is not perceived as equal, people think the game is rigged and won't play. If everyone gets the same results no matter what they do, people sit on their butts just the same because there is no incentive to suffer the pain of hard work and sacrifice. That is why this whole "equality" argument is a bunch of BS and counterproductive to the long term success of humanity. The existence of inequality of results is not evidence of some evil force screwing you over, it is a good thing, AS LONG AS THERE IS EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY. Of course, humans are generally pretty stupid and prone to blaming inequality on a lack of opportunity, rather than their own personal failure.

Opportunity is the qualifier which the Dems nor the Reps seem to perceive.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Rader [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The key is for there to be equality in opportunity, and an inequality of results. Hard work and effort and risk-taking must be seen as the means to achieve a bigger share than their neighbors, otherwise we will all eventually end up sitting at home, smoking dope and playing video games all day. ][/SIZE][/B]

That is all preserved in modern Democratic-Socialism. There are still winners and losers in the economy. Not to mention you can always take your world-class education to some other western economy as a Swedish guy for example.

Nevertheless, it turns out the bottom doesn't have to be a mentally ill guy walking around mumbling to himself with a blanket over his head (I've been thinking of this guy A lot lately). The bottom can be a modest living even the person isn't do shit to improve themselves -- it still works on a macro level.

In fact, because our economy is so competition-based and non-coordinated, when tend to spend more money for worse services. Education, healthcare, and welfare are all more expensive in America and less effective. We provide welfare in a way that actually prevents lifting people out of poverty. Not to mention job training must be bought by the prospective employee, which is a huge dampener on skill development compared to countries like Germany.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is all preserved in modern Democratic-Socialism. There are still winners and losers in the economy. Not to mention you can always take your world-class education to some other western economy as a Swedish guy for example.

Nevertheless, it turns out the bottom doesn't have to be a mentally ill guy walking around mumbling to himself with a blanket over his head (I've been thinking of this guy A lot lately). The bottom can be a modest living even the person isn't do shit to improve themselves -- it still works on a macro level.

In fact, because our economy is so competition-based and non-coordinated, when tend to spend more money for worse services. Education, healthcare, and welfare are all more expensive in America and less effective. We provide welfare in a way that actually prevents lifting people out of poverty. Not to mention job training must be bought by the prospective employee, which is a huge dampener on skill development compared to countries like Germany.

lmao looking forward to us being on our deathbeds like "damn we were born in the wrong country we got gypped on what a post-modern society is supposed to actually look like" ala the future of Scandinavia and Germany.

The argument commonly given is the population of the United States is too large for socialism. Hillary hit on that during the campaign trail. Its widely believed to be true by most Americans.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lmao looking forward to us being on our deathbeds like "damn we were born in the wrong country we got gypped on what a post-modern society is supposed to actually look like" ala the future of Scandinavia and Germany.

The argument commonly given is the population of the United States is too large for socialism. Hillary hit on that during the campaign trail. Its widely believed to be true by most Americans.

If we don't think we're special then how can we be special, Azzar? Good ol' "cogito ergo sum" mentality, right? MAGA as an example.

[mickmoranis]

hey the FDA 'wrote a letter' to mylen a manufacture of epipens.

But thanks to regulation like the FDA, mylen has virtually no competition and has been able to raise their price of their product 400% not to mention eat the cost of potential lawsuits for selling a defective product.

Hopefully trump will end the FDA altogether and we can have some semblance of a free market again.

Oh by the way, the FDA has raided and sent local farmers to jail for selling milk.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hey the FDA 'wrote a letter' to mylen a manufacture of epipens.

But thanks to regulation like the FDA, mylen has virtually no competition and has been able to raise their price of their product 400% not to mention eat the cost of potential lawsuits for selling a defective product.

Hopefully trump will end the FDA altogether and we can have some semblance of a free market again.

Oh by the way, the FDA has raided and sent local farmers to jail for selling milk.

You know we started the FDA because their was rats in the food and strict9 in the medications. I'm not sure if zero FDA is the way to go -- even if it is a bit corrupt. We don't say zero cops because there will always be murder and their are problems with police corruption.

[maskedmelon]

The problem isn't the FDA. The reason Mylen has no competition is because they have a patent. The reason they can charge whatever they want is because consumers are not directly responsible for costs due to universal insurance coverage legislated by a small group of idiots elected by the general population of idiots. Since all persons must purchase insurance, insurers could give fuck all about the cost of medical goods & services because they just pass them back to the consumer in the form of higher premiums. It is a self perpetuating cost bubble. Insurers make bank, pharma makes bank, medical service providers make bank, consumer gets screwed.

[JurisDictum]

Basically, "intellectual property" is BS -- and was invented by the ruling class to keep capitalism alive and the capital owners rich. As far as I'm concerned, if someone makes a complete windows knock off an sells it -- fine. I really don't care and shouldn't either.

The reason intellectual property started is so some jackass couldn't straight steal your book, go to better publishers than yours, and then make more money than the original author.

Books were also popular (esp. with lawyers and judges) and no one wants to see someone else profiting off their creation...

But they have totally commodified Intellectual Property so its now traded like stocks and the original innovator has long been cut out of any of the profit. Just think about how much money Bill Gates continues to make every day off other people's innovations -- because he is the baron of tech that will get his damn cut or else!

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem isn't the FDA. The reason Mylen has no competition is because they have a patent. The reason they can charge whatever they want is because consumers are not directly responsible for costs due to universal insurance coverage legislated by a small group of idiots elected by the general population of idiots. Since all persons must purchase insurance, insurers could give fuck all about the cost of medical goods & services because they just pass them back to the consumer in the form of higher premiums. It is a self perpetuating cost bubble. Insurers make bank, pharma makes bank, medical service providers make bank, consumer gets screwed.

they have a patent on the device that the FDA has approved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephrine_autoinjector

there are other options available for epinephrine injection, but the FDA does not approve them. You have been lied to by Reddit.

http://epinephrineautoinject.com/?gc...hoCT1UQAvD_BwE

the FDA rules your life, end the FDA end the fear of rats in food becuse thats stupid its 2017 and you live in a country that can enforce law thanks to our evolved standards of living.

Also Juris:

Ending the FDA will not suddenly make people make food with rat shit in and youll be helpless to do anythign about it, also right now there is chicken shit all over your chicken and you eat it anyway and its way more dangerous than rat shit. So THANKS FDA for not allowing cameras in Tyson factory farms.

your hyperbole is hyperbole