Raid Suspension: The Mystical Order

[Socratic]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wall of text.

The difference is that in one case someone is standing at zone in with aggro pulling mobs on everyone so they are at fault, and in the other case that same person can stand there forever and it's now someone else's responsibility to keep all the mobs away from them from now until .... the server crashes?

It's a stupid idea, and way way worse than the way it's been done up until now.

Right now if you pull something to zone in you need to do your own trainaway, kill the mob, and then everyone clears aggro (the way it should be, and it's clean).

Someone else training up before you do DOES NOT SCREW YOU at all. Obviously you haven't done this, or you'd know that. Your options are easy. You either run with that person, buff them, thereby holding their aggro, or you wait for their trainup to come back part way, tag it, run up, and do your thing. Nothing changes because some other guild decided to train up before you.

Yet now because of a short-sighted idea player X can stand at zone in with aggro for an hour while player B must hold the mobs away or be suspended?

If you pull through mobs then your responsible for the resulting aggro. It's the only reasonable way to do it.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Next time you are in fear, go wipe IB's raid and see if you get suspended, if you are there to start killing a single mob and drop it on them while they have FTE on CT. I'm pretty sure that hypothetical situation wouldn't work out for you so well.

You never drop it. You simply wait for them to engage CT so it summons their tanks. CT aggros the entire zone and his assist goes to the top of every mob in the zones aggro table.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It must be really really hard to sit and watch a guild that supposedly doesn't know how to train up themselves (by your guild's word) and will wipe otherwise and then go grab the kill yourself. A lot of babysitting there.

We have changed since 2 months ago. Now we let them pull and wipe. It happens a lot to them on repops. Xygoz destroyed them 2 repops ago because they have no clue how to execute with the roaming dragons up. The last repop they couldn't execute a Druushk pull for the same reasons.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right and I'm saying you try that next time and see how that works out for you. Anyone would know what the person is doing right away....If a group of TMO randomly decided to start killing a single mob in fear while IB or visa versa is engaging it would be blatantly obvious and they would be to blame. The only time I would say this would happen is when a Class R and Class C guild are in fear and even then if you send a tell as soon as you zone in or whoever starts the train, it would defeat that idea.

It would work fine I can't be at fault for simply killing a mob in a zone.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol so when 2 mobs are in both up at the same time or a server repop, both guilds will train up at the same time? Yeah that idea sounds like shit.

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] It is the only way to pull and control the aggro so it doesn't train both guilds.

[Socratic]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol so when 2 mobs are in both up at the same time or a server repop, both guilds will train up at the same time? Yeah that idea sounds like shit.

Actually both guilds can trainup at the same time no problem. It's very easy. Whoever trains up first can be bracer'd by the other guild, or if one trainer drops their mobs they can be easily tagged on the way down and pulled back up again. It's not hard at all. It's not even really exploitable afiak. At least it has never been exploited.

Pulling mobs somewhere for the purpose of trying to wipe another guild's pull would be obvious, and to my knowledge it has never been done. If it had then the person/guild involved would have likely been punished (and it probably wouldn't even work).

Really the mechanics to pull cleanly to zone in aren't hard. There has been no issue at all that i've seen with the way things have been done for the last long while.

This ruling punishing a guild for their competition training themselves is what throws all that into question and has a lot of people up in arms.

[Socratic]

This situation happened because we were both pulling a different dragon at the same time, and we didn't know which dragon would reach the zone in first. When their dragon showed up first we dropped all of our aggro so as to not interfere.

Why did the mobs show up?

Because they had NO TRAINUP AT ALL. They failed to do their job, and then blamed us for the mess afterwards.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol so when 2 mobs are in both up at the same time or a server repop, both guilds will train up at the same time? Yeah that idea sounds like shit.

How is this even an issue. You train up past their train up (all the mobs take the same path--you won't miss any) and simply rune a few times to grab aggro when you are the one currently engaging the dragon. You're playing with fire if you let the other guild decide where to put those mobs. Now if they rip them off of your train up and drop them on you, yeah, you've got yourself a grade A train. But TMO drops all aggro when IB is about to engage and tells them to take care of the mobs themselves (that they've already aggroed...).

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But TMO drops all aggro when IB is about to engage and tells them to take care of the mobs themselves (that they've already aggroed...).

I think I found the quote in all that neckbearding that makes the most sense. Heallun admits that it's TMOs plan to train IB once they engage, and it's what they got suspended for.

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I have a new concept for you: If you don't want to get suspended for training in VP, don't do it!

I don't care if that's the "strategy" that you use to pull or not. If there's another guild present and you time dropping your train to coincide with them fighting their FTE, that's on you, man.

Enjoy your vacation. I hear that there's this thing outside call the sun and that it can help with your complexion.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think I found the quote in all that neckbearding that makes the most sense. Heallun admits that it's TMOs plan to train IB once they engage, and it's what they got suspended for.

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I have a new concept for you: If you don't want to get suspended for training in VP, don't do it!

I don't care if that's the "strategy" that you use to pull or not. If there's another guild present and you time dropping your train to coincide with them fighting their FTE, that's on you, man.

Enjoy your vacation. I hear that there's this thing outside call the sun and that it can help with your complexion.

Heallun doesn't pull and gets all of this second hand. All I can do is comment on what was said in this thread. From Rais's earlier comments, it appears that if you FTE mob, they could literally mallet the mob, train themselves, and get you suspended. Because you didn't control it.