Stop the Socking

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sirken said "we aren't changing shit" but TMO and IB don't want anything changed either. If for the first time in the goddamn history of the server EVERY guild agreed to something, anything, then I think the staff would take a good long look at it and it could probably get changed.

Right now there's no impetus to change anything because TMO isn't backing down. Maybe I'll go talk to Getsome/Hoku and get them on board, then IB can be the hero and TMO will be the only guild stopping progress.

Looks like you are the one being difficult with valid options on the table.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Juryiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It puts in perspective the reasons, and saying the reasons makes you think about them consciously.

E.g. Currently a class C guild gets 10x of a mob for every 1x a class R guild gets. I would like to hear from class C themselves if this amount is really what they as individuals think is appropriate, rather than saying C/C/R or "we don't want to concede mobs" which obscures exactly how much more they get. This is beneficial for both class C themselves (they actually see the effect they have) and those who are trying to come to an agreement, to see where they stand. I bet that actual amount would cause some dissonance within class C ranks, they are people too after all [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's my back of the envelope math crunching the numbers

[Amirite]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO will be the only guild stopping progress.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the main objection to this is Class C getting fewer mobs (dunno if that's true), why not tweak it a bit? For example, a 3 mob bag limit for Class C guilds on FFA repops. I'd expect that a repop during high server population times would be highly contested with the smaller Class R guilds able to take a legit shot at a target and the Class C and large Class R guilds having to prioritize and maybe not fill their bags, while off-peak repops would favor the larger guilds (Class C, Taken, BDA, ??) and guilds that have different timezone presence (Europa, ??).

changing the bag limit to 3 only hurts the small guilds in the rotation, it doesn't affect Taken/BDA, I'd to see the limit to still be 2 to protect the smaller guilds

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Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3) It really seems to me that the real issue here isn't being addressed and it's being covered up by bullshit. I think the real problem is that the rotations are getting longer and longer because more guilds are joining that rotation you've got going and Class-R mouths are hungry. In honestly, there doesn't need to be 13 Class-R guilds. Consider consolidating.

That's such a reach. The line has always been long and that's never the issue. If the line was too long someone would just break rank and smash mobs without regard for the rotation and yet it's been a year and no one has done that.

[Amirite]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Looks like you are the one being difficult with valid options on the table.

False. you are the one being difficult with valid options on the table.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Increasing the number to compete for doesn't mean they will get them all. Especially not if they have to go to VP while 10 guilds get the pick of the litter for 30m-1h.

Oh, so we have to create rules to protect class C from competition.

You aren't wrong, I just find it amusing.

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sirken said "we aren't changing shit" but TMO and IB don't want anything changed either. If for the first time in the goddamn history of the server EVERY guild agreed to something, anything, then I think the staff would take a good long look at it and it could probably get changed.

Right now there's no impetus to change anything because TMO isn't backing down. Maybe I'll go talk to Getsome/Hoku and get them on board, then IB can be the hero and TMO will be the only guild stopping progress.

PvP solution? Red99.

Yes, I'm shameless.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, so we have to create rules to protect class C from competition.

You aren't wrong, I just find it amusing.

I know I'm not wrong - and I'm not saying the stance is right or wrong to take, but we're all kidding ourselves here if we were to say this is not about gross % of actual pixel intake, and is about potential pixel intake.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that doesn't solve poopsocking. it just redefines it temporarily

Are groups of people shitting in a sock with their character logged in getting rebuffed, waiting at a zone line for a spawn?

No? Fantastic, it removes most poopsocking.

Having characters camped =/= poopsocking. It is dumb, but there is absolutely no way around it since everyone in high end guilds has multiple raid worthy Alts they camp out.

Full respawns were shot down. It sucks I agree. But it's time to make do with what we have.

Derubael stated he understands the necessity of having trackers. We need to limit the amount of people sitting in zones during windows (which my proposal limits), and we need to limit the amount of time these people sit there (which smaller variance limits).

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are people shitting in a sock with their character logged in getting rebuffed, waiting at a zone line for a spawn?

No? Fantastic, it removes most poopsocking.

Having characters camped =/= poopsocking. It is dumb, but there is absolutely no way around it since everyone in high end guilds has multiple raid worthy Alts they camp out.

Full respawns were shot down. It sucks I agree. But it's time to make do with what we have.

full respawns have not been shut down, if TMO and IB in good faith agreed to my proposal and THEN Rogean shot it down then i'd be more inclined to find other avenues, and i'm talking they buy in wholeheartedly and Rogean denies it, not some pretend shit with a deal in an alley knowing that its going to get it stomped out