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[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Encroaching Death [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just be careful. My cousin's muscles exploded on him for playing with the wrong shit. Or something, I don't know the exact details.

People often have misconceptions about PED’s. They think “well I can just take PED’s and be as big as I want to be” and that’s completely true…in a sense. They just don’t understand that PED’s are not a binary 0-1 choice, they’re a spectrum

One on side you have natural, no assistance, where gains will require the most perfect effort - perfect training, perfect diet, perfect sleep, etc

And then you have the other side, and how far on the other side depends on what you take and at what doseage. Some people take very little and so everything else needs to be close to perfect. And some people take a lot and then it doesn’t matter how badly or rarely they train, how they eat, or whether or not they sleep. With enough drugs someone can literally put on 10lbs of muscle in a month with 1x/week training and terrible diet

What more people should realize is yes while that’s possible to compensate with huge amounts of drugs, those drugs will take a HUGE toll on their health, sometimes IMMEDIATELY. And if not immediate, then very soon. So once they almost have a heart attack, or are completely impotent with erectile dysfunction, or their liver is seriously damaged, then they go oh shit and stop. And when you stop for whatever reason, you lose like 95% of the gains. They will melt off like butter within a few weeks to a month

So you trashed your health for what? Gains you can’t keep without literally killing yourself? So this idea of “well I can just take drugs and look like The Rock” is false for the long term. You might be able to get there, but it’s unlikely you can stay there

Because I take the bare minimum of assistance, I have to be close to perfect on most things like a natural. My training is pretty nuts, diet is just decent, and sleep is poor. But I don’t have to worry about trashing my health or losing gains. So I think this way is ideal

[magnetaress]

In .
My experience.

Training growing and earning quality muscles win every time.

I wasn't the "swollest" person on the planet. Butt what I did have carried me through the toughest shit some drug addled yuppie was crushed by.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People often have misconceptions about PED’s. They think “well I can just take PED’s and be as big as I want to be” and that’s completely true…in a sense. They just don’t understand that PED’s are not a binary 0-1 choice, they’re a spectrum

One on side you have natural, no assistance, where gains will require the most perfect effort - perfect training, perfect diet, perfect sleep, etc

And then you have the other side, and how far on the other side depends on what you take and at what doseage. Some people take very little and so everything else needs to be close to perfect. And some people take a lot and then it doesn’t matter how badly or rarely they train, how they eat, or whether or not they sleep. With enough drugs someone can literally put on 10lbs of muscle in a month with 1x/week training and terrible diet

What more people should realize is yes while that’s possible to compensate with huge amounts of drugs, those drugs will take a HUGE toll on their health, sometimes IMMEDIATELY. And if not immediate, then very soon. So once they almost have a heart attack, or are completely impotent with erectile dysfunction, or their liver is seriously damaged, then they go oh shit and stop. And when you stop for whatever reason, you lose like 95% of the gains. They will melt off like butter within a few weeks to a month

So you trashed your health for what? Gains you can’t keep without literally killing yourself? So this idea of “well I can just take drugs and look like The Rock” is false for the long term. You might be able to get there, but it’s unlikely you can stay there

Because I take the bare minimum of assistance, I have to be close to perfect on most things like a natural. My training is pretty nuts, diet is just decent, and sleep is poor. But I don’t have to worry about trashing my health or losing gains. So I think this way is ideal

Does that apply if you get the T-HRT?

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does that apply if you get the T-HRT?

Does what?

Exogenous testosterone will compensate for quite a lot fitness-wise. Normally for natties there is a protein synthesis window where the function is most active, and I believe that is when sleeping. Other parts of the day like when awake the synthesis process is much less active

Exogenous test, no matter the dose, changes this. With that, protein synthesis is ALWAYS active, every hour of the day and night. It is not affected by a reduction in sleep or anything else that would hinder a natty’s progress. It also doesn’t require even as much total protein intake, because the process is going on all the time and at a significantly higher rate

So someone on TRT has huge advantages over a natural in terms of progress. If they stay at a normal therapeutic dose, they won’t be able to get massive bodybuilder results, they will still cap out slightly larger than they would if natural, assuming all things are perfect (training, diet, sleep)

In terms of performance the difference is not as huge, it’s more about gains/progress

What TRT will also do is change someone’s mood and brain. Especially with “maxed out” (at or slightly above the natural cap) testosterone, over time a person’s thoughts will change. Roid rage is a myth, but there will be a huge increase in confidence, energy, good feeling resulting from physical labor, a desire (even if out of character) to work out…basically a lot of little things one wouldn’t expect

Hormones have a very powerful effect on thoughts, which is why trans people like them so much for that. Taking TRT will make someone think more like a man, even if already a man

The downsides? Besides the cost, for some people they get a thickening of their blood. Not a huge deal and only affecting a small portion but if they get it they would need to donate or otherwise blood-let occasionally to mitigate it. Other people can get prostrate enlargement. Heart issues and blood pressure I really haven’t heard much about

[unsunghero]

Good explanation of natural vs enhanced, if curious

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=

[magnetaress]

Do drug built muscles have good endurance, speed, reflex, mitochdria, recovery potential? etc

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do drug built muscles have good endurance, speed, reflex, mitochdria, recovery potential? etc

That’s a good question I don’t know enough to answer. What I’ve heard is that the benefits depend somewhat on the compound. Something like Trenbolone will for sure give crazy strength (with big side effects), while orals like the research chemical Cardarine or the steroid anavar (also oral I believe) have fat burning and endurance-boosting properties

Almost all PED’s will def improve recovery greatly tho

The thing you nailed in a previous post is that for many compounds the muscles gained are actually kind of fake when compared to natural muscle. You can even spot this, on anyone at the gym who looks like they are clearly on PED’s, often they will have a roundness, puffiness, and fullness to their muscles. That’s actually just the muscle holding lots of extra water, which is why some have to take even more drugs to try to dry themselves out

Anecdotally, there was a time 5+ yrs ago when I decided to try taking 1000mg of testosterone for 2 weeks, divided up into four 500mg doses spaced out. This was a stupid experiment, I wanted to see how horny it would make me mostly lol (also was disappointed in the result, it was more than with nothing, but also not the crazy amount I expected). What did happen is that I gained immediate size, but when I stopped taking the test, the size disappeared in literal days

I was like “wtf, even if I was bed-ridden it would still take weeks for my muscles to atrophy. Why have I lost so much visible size in just days??”. Then I found out that was just water within the muscle that had essentially evaporated. So like you said before, real natural muscles almost always look better than an equally sized muscle boosted by PED’s. The pump in the gym is unfortunately MUCH smaller as a natty though

The scary thing is the amount of very young guys I see at the gym nowadays who clearly look like they are on PED’s, especially at mountainside which is the bougey $55/mo gym that all the fitness model looking young people go to. They have not only size beyond what should be possible natty, but it’s the puffy round muscles indicative of PED’s. There’s almost as many of them as naturals now, which is a first in my lifetime to see

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That’s a good question I don’t know enough to answer. What I’ve heard is that the benefits depend somewhat on the compound. Something like Trenbolone will for sure give crazy strength (with big side effects), while orals like the research chemical Cardarine or the steroid anavar (also oral I believe) have fat burning and endurance-boosting properties

Almost all PED’s will def improve recovery greatly tho

The thing you nailed in a previous post is that for many compounds the muscles gained are actually kind of fake when compared to natural muscle. You can even spot this, on anyone at the gym who looks like they are clearly on PED’s, often they will have a roundness, puffiness, and fullness to their muscles. That’s actually just the muscle holding lots of extra water, which is why some have to take even more drugs to try to dry themselves out

Anecdotally, there was a time 5+ yrs ago when I decided to try taking 1000mg of testosterone for 2 weeks, divided up into four 500mg doses spaced out. This was a stupid experiment, I wanted to see how horny it would make me mostly lol (also was disappointed in the result, it was more than with nothing, but also not the crazy amount I expected). What did happen is that I gained immediate size, but when I stopped taking the test, the size disappeared in literal days

I was like “wtf, even if I was bed-ridden it would still take weeks for my muscles to atrophy. Why have I lost so much visible size in just days??”. Then I found out that was just water within the muscle that had essentially evaporated. So like you said before, real natural muscles almost always look better than an equally sized muscle boosted by PED’s. The pump in the gym is unfortunately MUCH smaller as a natty though

The scary thing is the amount of very young guys I see at the gym nowadays who clearly look like they are on PED’s, especially at mountainside which is the bougey $55/mo gym that all the fitness model looking young people go to. They have not only size beyond what should be possible natty, but it’s the puffy round muscles indicative of PED’s. There’s almost as many of them as naturals now, which is a first in my lifetime to see

Really good points.

I believe PEDs have some pros. Just like everything else they are not going to do absolutely everything for you unless u just want bulk. The most incredible result would come from a combined approach in moderation.

Even then your burning up your metabolism and ticking through your DNA clocks. Or running into feul issues.


That video you shared. When he talks about cortisol being buffered by test. That makes so much sense. It also explains a lot of my symptoms. My body is low T like 0-5 on labs so it explains a lot of my anxiety like symptoms. Thankfully I've gotten a handle on that lately.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really good points.

I believe PEDs have some pros. Just like everything else they are not going to do absolutely everything for you unless u just want bulk. The most incredible result would come from a combined approach in moderation.

Even then your burning up your metabolism and ticking through your DNA clocks. Or running into feul issues.


That video you shared. When he talks about cortisol being buffered by test. That makes so much sense. It also explains a lot of my symptoms. My body is low T like 0-5 on labs so it explains a lot of my anxiety like symptoms. Thankfully I've gotten a handle on that lately.

0-5 ng/dl??? That sounds crazy low, even for women! Are you taking something that reduces or blocks it

Women still need a certain amount for stuff I think

[unsunghero]

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