Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clearly, neither of you understand math.

Don't look at me, I've been trying to avoid the napkin math this whole time. Got an exception to something I said lemme know and I'm glad to explain why I feel the way I do. I'll even get off here before 2 AM.

[Troxx]

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Has DSM posted actual logs and parse yet or are we still watching videos of him solo and equate that to dps effectiveness in a fast killing group?

Working on dinner for the kids and will check in later but my guess is no.

DSM what you need to deliver:
-actual parses from an actual group
-high dps group
-you’re playing nadda but dps
-be as good or at least close to as a good as a mage (you and pet vs mage and pet)

Sadly I know this won’t be possible for you but I hope the exercise in trying and failing will help a concrete thinking fella like you see the light.

No posting solo fights.

That’s the challenge.

Will check in later.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Has DSM posted actual logs and parse yet or are we still watching videos of him solo and equate that to dps effectiveness in a fast killing group?

Working on dinner for the kids and will check in later but my guess is no.

DSM what you need to deliver:
-actual parses from an actual group
-high dps group
-you’re playing nadda but dps
-be as good or at least close to as a good as a mage (you and pet vs mage and pet)

Sadly I know this won’t be possible for you but I hope the exercise in trying and failing will help a concrete thinking fella like you see the light.

No posting solo fights.

That’s the challenge.

Will check in later.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638

Here's the undeniable data. The ball is in your court[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your "can't be solo fights and must be in a group" requirement is nonsense, and unnecessary. It's easy to simulate, which I have done. I have provided real data using a Seb mob of equivalent level to Crypt mobs. You need to provide your own data now. If you still can't accept this, you are literally just being silly and stubborn. Remember that your own parses do not include logs, so we don't know what mobs you were fighting, how often you nuke, if your parser is accurate, etc.

I have videos and the raw logs, so you can parse the data yourself. You can download the logs via the link in the description of the videos. You can even ensure I am not cheating by comparing the logs to what's being displayed on screen.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638

Here's the undeniable data. The ball is in your court[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your "can't be solo fights and must be in a group" requirement is nonsense, and unnecessary. It's easy to simulate, which I have done. I have provided real data using a Seb mob of equivalent level to Crypt mobs. You need to provide your own data now. If you still can't accept this, you are literally just being silly and stubborn. Remember that your own parses do not include logs, so we don't know what mobs you were fighting, how often you nuke, if your parser is accurate, etc.

I have videos and the raw logs, so you can parse the data yourself. You can download the logs via the link in the description of the videos. You can even ensure I am not cheating by comparing the logs to what's being displayed on screen.

I have video and log proof which can be crossed referenced. You cannot prove your logs were in a group, in crypt, or simply photoshopped. The ball is in your court now[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Give us the data that meets your own standards.

[Troxx]

This whole thread is about a theoretical 4 man caster group. Everyone agrees this is at least a cleric and 2 enchanters charming … which is huge dps.

I challenged you to show me how a shaman can do meaningful dps vs a mage. Everyone except you knows the “utility” of the shaman is redundant.

The onus is on you to show that a shaman can add as much pew pew (or close to enough) as a mage.

You have thus far failed.

Please do a fast dps group and prove me otherwise.

Until then … well …

We all know.


I know you’ll fail. You have yet to know you’ll fail. This will be a learning point for you.

We need from you:

-parses
-objective data
-the above over a sustained period of time (1-2 hour minimum)
-be grouped with high dps characters (gotta compete man)
-evidence of shaman awesomeness we all know doesn’t exist.

This is all so stupid. We all know shamans are a stellar class. They cal solo shit nobody else can. They are perfect in duos and trios. It is such a good damn class.

Why do you have to despoil it all by being an idiot? Shamans are not a focused dps class and in a fast paced group they won’t fill a strictly dps role admirably.

We all know that. But if we are wrong … Fckin prove it.

Balls in your court

[Troxx]

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So far you’ve give nothing but you soloing a Jin shaman (literally the lowest level mob in seb) and napkin math.

Prove us all wrong. I dare and challenge you.

Sustained dps (an hour or 3) in a high level area of seb. You just focus on dps and prove what ya got sustained over time. Single or double parses need not apply … I can burn 200+ dps on cherry picked parses. Give us an hour of parses and parse the dps of the rest of your group.

I know you won’t.

#sad

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So far you’ve give nothing but you soloing a Jin shaman (literally the lowest level mob in seb) and napkin math.

Starting a petition for an unclassic change to rename the "Froglok Jin Shaman" mob in Sebilis to the "Froglok D'sm Shaman", to commemorate this thread itself and to permanently highlight one obstinate autistic man's outrageous, unflagging commitment to playing a DPS Shaman in Seb.

[Troxx]

He’s backed into a corner he cannot possibly weasel out of.

Give us raw data.

Off to feed the kids …

[Troxx]

Need more data for our collective “math” DSM

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[Troxx]

Help us math at the graduate level of math you got from MIT …

All we need is evidence.

Ball’s in your court musafa