2020 Post Election MEGAthread

[Baler]

Originally Posted by imperiouskitten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

george floyd was having a mental health breakdown.

False he downed a bunch of Fentanyl when the police pulled him over. After he tried to pass off counterfit money and made a big deal out of the cashier not accepting it. So they called the cops on him.

Juicy world also downed pills(fentanyl) so the cops wouldn't find it. after he found out they were going to search his aircraft.

[imperiouskitten]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

False he downed a bunch of Fentanyl when the police pulled him over. After he tried to pass off counterfit money and made a big deal out of the cashier not accepting it. So they called the cops on him.

Juicy world also downed pills(fentanyl) so the cops wouldn't find it. after he found out they were going to search his aircraft.

The fact that he had passed counterfeit checks is not relevant.

Overdoses of opiates don't make you panic and flop like a fish. The coroner's report did not report a blood level clearly indicative of lethal overdose. If he had any tolerance, it wouldn't have been. This is not to say it is impossible that the bag didn't break late into the fight and then he flash-OD'd, and that some of the drug was metabolized before the coroner drew blood (fentanyl has a short half-life). But I surely wouldn't speak in absolutes when I don't know for sure.

All I know is, he was freaking out and saying he had anxiety about going back to jail, and anxiety about going into the dark of the cop SUV. Clear indications of need for some sort of counseling aid. Things became physical (in the sense that he was writhing nonthreateningly) when they ran out of patience and tried to jam him in there. In the confusion, he died for whichever reason it was. If he hadn't been driven into an animal freakout, the OD you theorize would have been witnessed as such and very possibly his life saved with a narcan pen (all cops carry them now, at least around here).

The fact that you bring up nonsequiturs about his criminality and speak surety where it doesn't belong betrays your animus. Criminality, especially nonviolent, doesn't leave a person undeserving of decency from the system we embody.

[Baler]

Originally Posted by imperiouskitten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that he had passed counterfeit checks is not relevant.

Actually it is, it's proof of his character.
And it wasn't checks it was a counterfeit $20 bill.

Originally Posted by imperiouskitten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Overdoses of opiates don't make you panic and flop like a fish. The coroner's report did not report a blood level clearly indicative of lethal overdose. If he had any tolerance, it wouldn't have been.

I never said how the police handled the situation was ok, it wasn't even if it's some sort of training in some book.
The autopsy report did state he had lethal levels of Fentanyl in his system.

Stop doing drugs, period. (you've openly admitted on this forum to using drugs)
Get your head and facts straight.

[imperiouskitten]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said how the police handled the situation was ok, it wasn't even if it's some sort of training in some book.
The autopsy report did state he had lethal levels of Fentanyl in his system.

Stop doing drugs, period.
Get your head and facts straight.

The actual fact is you need to screw your head on and understand that blood levels don't prove anything. If he was an active addict, he may have been on a maintenance dose of fentanyl. Those LDs are based on drug-naivety. If you were on the dose of opiates I'm on now, you'd be toast. But it's not a lethal dose clearly.

All I am talking about is the police handling, which we agree was not okay. So what is all this rage coming at me? I think it's animus.

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[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jibartik what are your thoughts on oregon decriminalizing small amounts of hard drugs like heroin, meth and cocaine?

Oregon is a crazy town made up of people that moved there to join that sex cult back in the 90s and when it broke up they all just filled out all over the state that's what I think lol

As for Floyd, Id like to just say you can see the officers become agitated with Floyd because they were not properly trained how to deal with someone who was either A. having a mental breakdown, or B. downed a bunch of Fentanyl.

IMO officers should work harder to not become agitated and if that means they need bachelor of social work to become an officer so be it. Most of those are free at community colleges and can be obtained while on the job.

[Baler]

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sorry BigJ, not this time.

[imperiouskitten]

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sorry BigJ, not this time.

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[douglas1999]

How about this: Give the police *more* funding so that they can hire social workers. Social workers are already a thing, they are dispatched to situations that call for their expertise. What people have been proposing, which is completely idiotic, is that social workers be dispatched to situations where there is an imminent lethal threat. Cops already perform the role of social worker in many situations, for example when they talk jumpers off the ledges of buildings all the time.

Suggesting that a social worker should be called in when somebody like george floyd, who had an extensive violent criminal history (he robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint, among other things) and had been in prison fourteen times, which the cops *are aware of* as soon as they ID him and look up his priors, is insane. Or somebody like jacob blake, or that dude waving a knife around, or literally any of the other people that have inspired rioting this year. This is what armed police are for.. It's super easy to criticize them after the fact when it wasn't you whose life was in danger.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about this: Give the police *more* funding so that they can hire social workers. Social workers are already a thing, they are dispatched to situations that call for their expertise. What people have been proposing, which is completely idiotic, is that social workers be dispatched to situations where there is an imminent lethal threat. Cops already perform the role of social worker in many situations, for example when they talk jumpers off the ledges of buildings all the time.

Suggesting that a social worker should be called in when somebody like george floyd, who had an extensive violent criminal history (he robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint, among other things) and had been in prison fourteen times, which the cops *are aware of* as soon as they ID him and look up his priors, is insane. Or somebody like jacob blake, or that dude waving a knife around, or literally any of the other people that have inspired rioting this year. This is what armed police are for.. It's super easy to criticize them after the fact when it wasn't you whose life was in danger.

1. youd be suprised to find out that defunding the police means refunding, but optics are hard because this is a day and age of all or nothing headline idiology.

2. no wrong about floyd, he is not violent, the video clearly shows he is in a state of panic, a social worker would have had him sit his ass down in the back of that police car in less time than it took to strangle him to death.

3. Why do we act like crisis negotiation is some how non existant to people who are appolgists for bad police work, libertarians agree, we need to defund things like the war on drugs and the sale of military equipment to the police.

If any of you out there think that there are no such thing as lawman that become lawman because they wanted to be a legal gunman then you need to stop pretending you're on the cowboys side, because you aint no cowboy at all.