OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[Lammy]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've got an idea. TMO perma-banned from all non-VP content. If they want an epic for a 4th alt, they can buy it from A-Team.

Winga, when you first started in these negotiation threads I thought perhaps you were a rational, free thinker. Now i'm just convinced that you're either A. a misinformed lemming or B. a retard.

TMO has plenty of raiding mains that still need their epics, as well as gear from open world raid mobs. That is first hand FACT, not assumption or hearsay.

[DrKvothe]

BDA is looking to benefit the least from the 'casual' proposal out of all the guilds that gain anything at all. It's only TMO that loses anything, and the amount they get to keep is far too generous. The guilds that gain the most are the Sky guilds that get zero or near zero monthly dragon kills.

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Lammy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Winga, when you first started in these negotiation threads I thought perhaps you were a rational, free thinker. Now i'm just convinced that you're either A. a misinformed lemming or B. a retard.

TMO has plenty of raiding mains that still need their epics, as well as gear from open world raid mobs. That is first hand FACT, not assumption or hearsay.

Plenty? What's the waiting list like? Why are you selling epics and epic pieces for most classes? How can you have a similar number of players as each of FE, Taken, BDA, etc., have gotten near exclusive rights to epic drops for 2 years, and still act like you desperately need raid loot? If you've got 2 mains per class that need epic drops and other guilds have 10 mains per class that need epic drops, even if your guild is getting drops at the same rate as the other guild, an individual in your guild is getting it 5x faster.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you'd have been happy if you didn't misinterpret this as charity?

/facepalm

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Lammy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Winga, when you first started in these negotiation threads I thought perhaps you were a rational, free thinker. Now i'm just convinced that you're either A. a misinformed lemming or B. a retard.

TMO has plenty of raiding mains that still need their epics, as well as gear from open world raid mobs. That is first hand FACT, not assumption or hearsay.

I would be shocked if even 10% of TMO raiding mains still need their epics. For kicks, I went to the TMO page and sorted by name.

Aalamar: yes
Aalpha: yes
Alarti: yes
Alde: no idea
Ascention: yes
Atmas: yes
Baxter: yes
Benjaman: recruit with 9 dkp
Bialar: yes
Biggslick: yes
Bitie: rogue so he fucking better have one
Butchh: yes
Carrina: recruit
Catterine: only 95% sure but putting her down as yes
Cecily: yes
Chief: yes
Citizen: shaman, so . . yeah
Cyryllis: yes
Darkdeath: yes
Deathproof: yes

And after 20 names I got tired. 17/20 confirmed to have epics, and two of those remaining are recruits. And probably Alde (the 5%!) has one or at least some VP weapons. So I'm thinking that isn't so great for your argument there Fabben . . . and then I realized . . . I bet *you* don't have your epic! Cause Taken has been socking Inny hard lately and the earth staff is pretty rare. And now its obvious why you are taking the positions you do.

P.S. That being said, Winga's position is silly because it would never allow TMO to recruit anyone new.

[JayN]

TMO members with RA% of 20-30% really dont get much loot, tons of semi casuals. All of them are being told "YOU DONT NEED LOOT ANYMORE CAUSE WE SAY SO." all this ghestop shit is so stupid, just hope you never make it to the top!

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/facepalm

I'm sorry, the proposal is more than generous. I'm not going to restate things from my previous posts but this IS the compromise. On one extreme you have the top guilds dominating, on the other you have full rotation. We've done what was asked. This is as middle ground as it gets.

[Bossman]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry, the proposal is more than generous. I'm not going to restate things from my previous posts but this IS the compromise. On one extreme you have the top guilds dominating, on the other you have full rotation. We've done what was asked. This is as middle ground as it gets.

This "proposal" is a joke. You will not get a consensus on it, period. Move on or enjoy not raiding.

[Aaron]

Loraen: 1
Fabben: 0

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry, the proposal is more than generous. I'm not going to restate things from my previous posts but this IS the compromise. On one extreme you have the top guilds dominating, on the other you have full rotation. We've done what was asked. This is as middle ground as it gets.

If one extreme is a full rotation, and the other extreme is the top guilds dominating, then wouldn't the middle ground be . . . half rotation and half FFA? And is this not exactly what Divinity proposed?