What is end game like for normal people?

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by JesterJester [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because I'd like to do some things I didn't when I played live. Leveling to 60 is something I've already done.

This, in a nutshell, is the issue with our server. Everyone played on live and wants to do '1 more', and there simply aren't enough high-end spawns.

People who were casual just wandered around want to be in a low level raid guild and experience a few more zones.
People who were in a casual guild want to be in the uber guild and BiS and kill all the bosses.
People like Bhubbles who were in a top tier raid guild just kinda look on from the forums in dismay.

Also, Sirken is totally right in that most of the people you will meet in game are very nice. Most of TMO is actually composed of very nice people (Necrious, Cilienya, Elethia, Xasten, Droxx, my hero Crazyeyes, Hookrs, I even like Jeremy and Fountree and Zeelot although they like to troll, I mean really most of them) but they *really* want their pixels.

[Nordenwatch]

Raiding in this game is overrated. Sell hammers all day.

[JesterJester]

Originally Posted by Nordenwatch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raiding in this game is overrated. Sell hammers all day.

If I'm going to sell stuff, it may as well be TF2 items on steam. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Itap]

Anyone else just laugh at thread title

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by Itap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone else just laugh at thread title

Yes

Like ANYONE here is normal?

Poor attempt at trolling. Didn't get me, and I am easy.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by JesterJester [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If "work your ass off" means having no life to be crowned King Nothing, then I say no thanks.

The higher end guilds do not really place any demands upon the membership at large. TMO specifically, heavily incentivizes hardcore devotion, but this is never a requirement. Generally, to get in you must bring something to the table. If you can play or track in the off hours, you're generally admissible. If you play standard hours, you need to play a needed class or be able to respond at the standard hours of the day with a decent attendance.

It does take effort to get in, but you will never be required to sacrifice your personal life for the guild. Such sacrifices are generally recognized in the way of DKP and loot, but if you are patient such items will make their way to you as well.

And regarding the Batphone, most guilds use Gmail to send out texts/emails. Some members, like myself, do not mind having the phone # tied to our accounts, whereas others choose to receive emails when a batphone is sent out. In any case, you will never NEVER be scolded for not responding. You make it or you don't, this is a game and despite hardcore tendencies, the leadership hasn't forgotten that.

Also, even if you cannot play a lot there are other ways to contribute and be recognized. Take myself as an example, I generally disappear for several weeks at a time to take care of real life, but I maintain a fully stocked set of resist gear mules for TMO. I provide resist gear to all members and apps free of charge (buy your own damned diamonds though), and I take the time to represent the guild as an ambassador on the forums. Play time is not the only way to contribute. If you're willing to do paper work and upload DKP/tracking numbers you could easily get into a raid guild despite a low attendance rate. Heck, one time TMO admitted an app on the spot because he offered to assist in maintaining our website and databases.

There's more than a few ways to make it to the end game without getting a divorce and going on food stamps.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by JesterJester [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If "work your ass off" means having no life to be crowned King Nothing, then I say no thanks. If I can never get my epic because of these "classic" mechanics, then so be it. However, it is my belief that the challenge should come from the actual encounter, not from having to choose between IRL and game.

Ultimately, what is this really about? Are we keeping the classic environment merely for the sake of historical accuracy, or rather that we want to relive the fun of the old times? Maybe you can say that we have both, but I disagree - at least on this point.

Then you will have nothing either here or in RL. Life is a bitch, get used to it.

[Cippofra]

Originally Posted by JesterJester [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That doesn't change the poopsockers from preventing everyone else from ever getting epics. I bet they would let things rot before yielding to the greater good.

I guarantee they rot all the time. Why would they let you loot pieces for the epic when they sell them for 40-500k?

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Tippett [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not that way at all though. Multiple guilds have the ability to epic members, even casual ones as long as you play for awhile.

This is what I was referring to about worrying about level 12 before you ask questions about the high end raid scene, you think you understand how it works but obviously have no idea.

It's not all about epics. I've clearly stated that I want to see all the raids I can. I'm sorry if you can't understand somebody putting a little more forethough into their activities to decide if it is worth the time involved. The entire purpose of this thread is to better understand how raiding on the server works and if what I read from people saying TMO gets 90% of raid targets is true.

Originally Posted by Peekae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like socking is thrown around a lot more than it should. The only time its really seen is late window pops.

I would like to know of it is. Again, all I have to go by here is what you guys on the forum say. How often do raid targets end up in these multi-hour sock fest FTE lotteries? Should I just disregard posts like the one about a guild starting 20 hours into a 96 hour spawn? I am looking for information to counter the very negative impression that I get from those posts.

Originally Posted by India [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP, if you've read the forums like you claimed, you would know that it's not all gloom and doom. There are some wonderfully fun & nice people that play this game. You would have found that there are numerous guilds that do things that don't require you to poopsock. You'd also know that Velious is on the way, and once released Kunark raid targets will likely be available to others.

You stated that you "made a mistake" by reading the forums first. So you realize somewhere inside yourself that the forums are not representative of the actual community, nor even the people of those guilds you already claim to dislike without even knowing the members within.

In knowing all this I can't help but wonder what the actual purpose of this thread was for. To trash talk guilds? The raiding scene as it stands? Attention?

Here's something crazy to consider: I want to raid Velious targets too. Saying that I'll be able to raid Kunark targets when there are Velious targets to try as well is the same situation people are denying is happening now. If you really can't figure out what the purpose of the thread is, let me say it again: I am asking you guys to counter the bad, which is all that is available on the forums regarding raiding. If there is NOTHING to be found here that is positive regarding raiding, how am I or any other new person supposed to weigh things properly? As far as claiming to dislike guilds, that mainly goes for TMO. I don't know the people in it (though surely guild leadership must know how the vocal forum members make it look), but you know what I do know? They train anybody who tries to break into VP. That is all that I need to know about them.

There is no troll here. I am not mad, I am not jelly. In this very thread there are a handful of people who have basically said if you're not in TMO, FE, or to a lesser extent BDA, you're limited to clearing the planes, some epic mobs, and some small scale stuff. Who am I supposed to believe? I normally don't mind running an expansion behind for raids but when the server is locked at three expansions that doesn't really work.

What I don't understand is why it seems to make people angry that I saw something that did not look good about the server and asked for people to tell me the other side of it. If you guys are saying that it's not true, what raid targets have other guilds gotten recently? How many other guilds can help their members get a bard or SK epic without buying a MQ?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar

I would like to know of it is. Again, all I have to go by here is what you guys on the forum say. How often do raid targets end up in these multi-hour sock fest FTE lotteries? Should I just disregard posts like the one about a guild starting 20 hours into a 96 hour spawn? I am looking for information to counter the very negative impression that I get from those posts.

Honestly, the only mobs you see socked are VS and Trak. The majority of those instances are when the mob is late in window. However, sometimes one guild was bring a group down to the VS pit to xp, and the next thing you know you have a cold war style escalation with both sides sitting on the spawn all because someone tipped their hand slightly. That's where the early window socks come from. And those usually disband in relatively short order once people think rationally and do some math.