Power leveling should be banned.

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Noudess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If people stopped worrying about levelling and enjoyed the game, then they wouldnt be bored levels 1-50, because they'd be chalenging all the content, not the same tired 5 areas that have max xp.

Cool story bro, I'm happy you had/have the fortitude and time to max-level multiple characters throughout your EQ career. I have too ! the fact is, 12 years later, I could care less about the 'leveling experience' 'the path to 60' or whatever other bullshit people want to claim. I've done it enough already and so have many other people. Some people didn't have a chance to experience raiding or end game content and would rather power level through the earlier ones to meet their expectations.

Protip: 12 year old content isn't challenging.

[Snagglepuss]

Originally Posted by Massive Marc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cool story bro, I'm happy you had/have the fortitude and time to max-level multiple characters throughout your EQ career. I have too ! the fact is, 12 years later, I could care less about the 'leveling experience' 'the path to 60' or whatever other bullshit people want to claim. I've done it enough already and so have many other people. Some people didn't have a chance to experience raiding or end game content and would rather power level through the earlier ones to meet their expectations.

Protip: 12 year old content isn't challenging.

Protip: 12 year old content gets more challenging because of complete information. Everyone knows the rules. Efficiency.

Chess is 500 years old and never gets old. It constantly reinvents itself for the same reason. It's the premise of game theory.

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Snagglepuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Protip: 12 year old content gets more challenging because of complete information. Everyone knows the rules. Efficiency.

Chess is 500 years old and never gets old. It constantly reinvents itself for the same reason. It's the premise of game theory.

please go lick some windows. why is it always someone with downs feels they have to call me out.

PROHINT: You're playing chess against another person, not Lady Vox or Lord Nagafen.

Check and mate.

[Elements]

Originally Posted by Noudess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Competing for mobs - of level - is fine by me. It's part of a shared world. Competing for level 15 mobs with a level 60 so they can PL a level 10, sucks. It's against the spirit of what "experience" means, and mocks the dungeon/zone in which it is done.

People who don;t originate in this genre, back when we had a live GM, don't realize the intent of experience. It's why skills level up as you use them. It is granted when earned. Live GMs take levels away for acting out of alignment. They certainly wouldn't be granting Xp for being Pled. It is obvious to anyone that examines EQ, that the server rules are trying to get of-level mobs/dungeons taken by of0-level characters. It no different than a live GM picking the correct of-level module for his players. You'd never see the GM pick a level 20 module for a level 50 player to run trough with his level 1 buddy. It's just a mockery and insult to the genre.

Its the video game mentality. EQ is an RPG with graphical enhancements, that is the intention. Pling on any level is an exploit against the intent put forth by the creators of the game.

I have a main, I had one from 1999-2010 on live. I had a ton of alts, and they all played the game and enjoyed all the levels - in all the zones. If people stopped worrying about levelling and enjoyed the game, then they wouldnt be bored levels 1-50, because they'd be chalenging all the content, not the same tired 5 areas that have max xp.

Sorry I didnt read your entire wall of text but the bottom line is that spawn competition is a reality. People being inconsiderate is a reality. If you cant enjoy the game in that state then dont expect it to change at higher level. If you want examples or to compare the size of multi decade mmo epeens send me a PM.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Noudess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If people stopped worrying about levelling and enjoyed the game, then they wouldnt be bored levels 1-50, because they'd be chalenging all the content, not the same tired 5 areas that have max xp.

So basically you are making the case that people should play whichever way makes them the happiest, that is the most fun for them.

Do you not see the hilarious hypocrisy involved in then telling them that they have to play it exactly the way that you do and no other way?

You have stepped right into it, like about 50 others before you.

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So basically you are making the case that people should play whichever way makes them the happiest, that is the most fun for them.

Do you not see the hilarious hypocrisy involved in then telling them that they have to play it exactly the way that you do and no other way?

You have stepped right into it, like about 50 others before you.

Not really hypocrisy, the PLer and PLee are happy while everyone else in the zone is not happy and forced to be relocated. I don't care if people are powerleveled as long as it's not at the expense of others.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't care if people are powerleveled as long as it's not at the expense of others.

This is my belief too. Unfortunately several times though my P99 career I've run into PL'ers who stole my mobs or who have trained me, either on accident or on purpose, I don't know. In most cases they were real jerks about it too when you called them out on it.

[Cippofra]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not really hypocrisy, the PLer and PLee are happy while everyone else in the zone is not happy and forced to be relocated. I don't care if people are powerleveled as long as it's not at the expense of others.

Which means your issue is with people being douchebags. Not with powerleveling. Right? Heres a secret, for every 1 decent person on this server, theres 15 douchebags. Part of society. Any society, pixels or otherwise.

[gotrocks]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you not see the hilarious hypocrisy involved in then telling them that they have to play it exactly the way that you do and no other way?

You have stepped right into it, like about 50 others before you.

exactly.

Noud, the reason you are getting flamed so much is mostly because of this.

Also, and I shouldn't have to explain this, denying xp for killing something twice your lvl or whatever is total BS. You can't stop powerleveling. Besides that, as long as the powerleveling doesnt affect you, you shouldn't care how other people play. Care about how you play, dont worry about anyone else.

As long as the guy doing the pl'ing isnt a total asshole, pl'ing is fine.

*edit* eqraven, its the definition of hypocrisy. He's not saying that people need to be nice when they PL. He's saying they shouldn't be able to play at all, because he wants people to slow down and play the way that gives the most enjoyment (in this case, the way he wants them to, not the way they want to). That's hypocrisy.

[Noudess]

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

exactly.

Noud, the reason you are getting flamed so much is mostly because of this.

*edit* eqraven, its the definition of hypocrisy. He's not saying that people need to be nice when they PL. He's saying they shouldn't be able to play at all, because he wants people to slow down and play the way that gives the most enjoyment (in this case, the way he wants them to, not the way they want to). That's hypocrisy.

No, I'm saying they shouldn't PL because it is obviously not the intent of the game, nor in the spirit of the game. I'd say the same thing about using any exploit (which I believe Pling is, as is recharging via a merchant - its a bug).

It would be hypocrisy if I told them they have to get gear rather than buy - both are intended avenues. Or if I made the role play instead of power game. All I am looking for is for a common exploit to be eliminated or reigned back. It is only needed because people that cheat are not polite. They have zero people skillsas evidenced by most of their flames (NOT including yours - you're arguing a point not name calling with no basis).

I don't care if someone levels faster.,, why should I? I enjoy the game. If all Plers would do it somewhere where others are not affected, I don't care. But when they make a mockery of the games intent. while stopping me from doing the zone within the games intent (while I could be Pling - but I won't degrade the game), then I object.

I'd only want the rule, because the type of people that cheat, are also the type that don't care about anyone besides themselves, and as such have no issue using the bug to their advantage while screwing others.