Life after Velious... we can make it better!

[Kurze]

I would primarily like to see Halfling Pallies/Rangers, Gnome Pallies/SKs (even though barely anyone played those, lol), and Beastlords. I could easily forgo having Vah Shir and the entire moon, but I must admit that I did like the beastlord class and I loved the extra race/class combos. Heck, my main on live of was Halfling Pally and I loved it.

Oh, and I forget when it was implemented but would like to see DoTs stack again. (i.e. more than one necro tossing DoTs up)

[Brut]

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Gnome Pallies/SKs

Pallys yes, SKs nothx.

Ridiculous midgets named Anklebitur/Daethbringur/Necrognomicon/et cetera scampering around with plastic mini-Inny's Curses is just shameful.

[Calabee]

yeah why so much hate on vah shir.. they fucking own, if you didnt intend them to be playable, at all, at some point, why allow the graphic here on p99?

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PS: wasnt there some weird gm event long ago about blowing up the moon (luclin) wouldnt that be kinda hypocrite to talk of bringing luclin zones.

[Calabee]

PS: im all for luclin / pop and aas... custom content, not so much, i dont play on the ezserver. If they are -ever- gonna be introduced, should be integrally.. but that's just my 2 cents.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by Calabee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah why so much hate on vah shir.. they fucking own, if you didnt intend them to be playable, at all, at some point, why allow the graphic here on p99?.

Technically speaking they disallowed and even disabled. The fact that people hack the client to get Luclin graphics is a different matter.

[greatdane]

There's no doubt that introducing Luclin, and Planes of Power in their pure form would be a horrible idea for this server, because without question, despite being enjoyable expansions, they were the downfall of EverQuest as most of us knew it.

I don't see why. Eventually, after two or three years at the pinnacle of Velious, something new will have to happen or the server will be dead. That's a self-evident fact. At that point, I'd frankly put greater faith in the actual expansions which, while a step back, were at least decent. It's not like Luclin and PoP was some kind of unplayable atrocity, it was just worse than than what preceded them. However, I think it would be arrogant and naïve to presume that a handful of amateur hobbyists could design better expansions for a game for which they don't even have the original source code or full client freedom. As much as Luclin/PoP made Everquest worse, I think they'd be better than what can be cobbled together by some people who have never designed games before. Consider also the overwhelming workload it would be to design something new from scratch, compared to simply copying and reverse-engineering what already exists. How many custom-content emus have had any kind of long-term success? Isn't it rather against the spirit of this server to suddenly introduce new, non-canon content after sticking to the classic mantra for so long like some kind of old-time married couple?

[pharmakos]

oh yeah, i forgot about gnome SKs

gnome SKs were f'n awesome

they should add gnome monks while they're at it

[Phats]

There is nothing wrong with cat people, its just that cat people are on the moon and that is wrong.

[Splorf22]

Well realistically I don't think you can reimplement PoP/Luclin without some sort of progression. MMOs are a treadmill: your player and guild gradually become more powerful and more skilled. To maintain the challenge, you need new encounters and new itemization and so on.

AAs seems like a very reasonable idea to me and would be perfect for our top-heavy server if implemented correctly (moderate increase in power, huge increase in grinding time). Imagine if we implemented in Kunark an AA system where you could get +5 to any stat at a cost of n^2 AAs. Getting +25 str would cost you ~50 AAs or about the same amount of xp to level from 50-60. Its not particularly OP and gives our superhardcore playerbase something to do. I like AAs for the same reason I like augs: its a way to give people a way to customize and specialize a bit rather than everyone using the same BiS gear.

Also I agree with whoever said that Luclin and PoP, while flawed, were the product of a paid full-time design team. There is just no way that two people working in their spare time are going to do better. So I think its much better idea to tweak things than do new content from day one.

Lastly, one of the things I'm curious about is that I'm told raids in 'modern' eq are a lot more strategical than classic. Could anyone give me an example or two?

[Galelor]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well realistically I don't think you can reimplement PoP/Luclin without some sort of progression. MMOs are a treadmill: your player and guild gradually become more powerful and more skilled. To maintain the challenge, you need new encounters and new itemization and so on.

AAs seems like a very reasonable idea to me and would be perfect for our top-heavy server if implemented correctly (moderate increase in power, huge increase in grinding time). Imagine if we implemented in Kunark an AA system where you could get +5 to any stat at a cost of n^2 AAs. Getting +25 str would cost you ~50 AAs or about the same amount of xp to level from 50-60. Its not particularly OP and gives our superhardcore playerbase something to do. I like AAs for the same reason I like augs: its a way to give people a way to customize and specialize a bit rather than everyone using the same BiS gear.

Also I agree with whoever said that Luclin and PoP, while flawed, were the product of a paid full-time design team. There is just no way that two people working in their spare time are going to do better. So I think its much better idea to tweak things than do new content from day one.

Lastly, one of the things I'm curious about is that I'm told raids in 'modern' eq are a lot more strategical than classic. Could anyone give me an example or two?

Luclin could still be zerged down for the most part. Even some of the encounters that were not meant to be straight zergs like burrower beast, seru, ssra raids could still mostly be zerged.

Some examples of pure non-zerg content are all instanced raids in PoTime. Many of the raids to progress through the PoP tiers are good examples too. Magnetic Behemouth in PoI was a pain in the ass while learning progression... Much of the raid content after PoP relied on non-zerg tactics. (Examples - Instance raids that only allow x amount of members to enter at once, events where you off tank several mobs while the main raid force killed other adds, text triggers that if the correct action is not taken the char dies. There are TONS of examples...)

Honestly, the EQ raid game was much more fun (with the exception of VT) from Luclin on. IMO I would consider PoP the pinnacle of EQ raiding and I raided all the way from old world content through to the Underfoot expansion.