FTE is Fing stupid

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Arrisard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If OP was serious about wanting to negotiate the terms of a rotation, he would have contacted an officer/Zeelot ingame or PM here/TMO boards.

Either form of contact yields identical results. Can ask Coldblooded or Sanluen how well direct, discrete negotiation attempts work with TMO officers.

Upbeat, you're ignoring Loraen's point: The rest of the server is more casual, there isn't a hardcore playerbase for non-TMO to draw from. I doubt even your latest acquisition, Enraptured, is that hardcore.

I do understand the wanting to compete, and I have no issues with it. The issue comes when TMO utilizes underhanded tactics, but then complains when underhanded tactics are used against them. This statement is equally true for BDA. BDA aggroes VS with 3 in zone and gets the kill, TMO aggroes Trak with 15 in the zone and gets the kill. But, like nuclear disarmament, neither side really makes any progress towards bettering the atmosphere, its just an arms race towards FTE.

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're against it, the staff is against it - it's not going to happen.

is this really the case? or is the staff just against a GM monitored rotation. ive seen them chime in on these thread before and while they do allude to the fact that they do not want to be the moderators of said rotation. As far as i can see they would have to be extremely masochistic to not encourage the players to get along with as minimal gm involvement that is possible. obviously the OP's rotation idea isnt perfect, but thats why its here for open discussion. its not about wanting free mobs or free loot, its about wanting to be able to experience some of the content that many of us may have missed back in the day. but because some elite group of "hardcore"(lol i laugh at this statement, nothing about sitting on your ass for hours a day playing video games is "hardcore") raiders has decided that every mob on this server belongs to them, the rest of us "casuals" are ass out

i would hope a staff member who deals with these situations on a regular basis would be all for anything that would lessen his work load

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so far im only seeing BDA and TMO posting in this thread, id like to hear more from the other guilds, how do you guys feel about the current raid scene? how do you feel about an open slot on a rotation? i cant speak for all of BDA but i know many of us probably wouldnt even mobilize if we thought one of the smaller guilds had a shot at a target they otherwise wouldnt have had.

[falkun]

The GMs do not want to enforce a rotation, but Nilbog has bluntly stated leapfrogging is stupid. Sirken also agrees FTE is a flawed metric, but its all the GM staff have to go by.

I'm sure the GM staff would be just as happy to not have to respond to petitions at 3AM as well.

[Adrieth]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so far im only seeing BDA and TMO posting in this thread, id like to hear more from the other guilds, how do you guys feel about the current raid scene? how do you feel about an open slot on a rotation? i cant speak for all of BDA but i know many of us probably wouldnt even mobilize if we thought one of the smaller guilds had a shot at a target they otherwise wouldnt have had.

This. I would love to see some other guilds enter the raid scene, but only if it gave them a chance to actually compete without having to resort to everything we've had to in the past (which we're obviously tired of).

[Itap]

So what I've gathered from this thread is, from TMO members' point of view, if you have a full time job, kids, wife, family, ect., you will not really have a chance to experience the end game. Shouldn't everyone have a chance to experience it, no matter how casual/hardcore?

I can dedicate a fair share of time to EQ on certain days, but theres no way in hell i can log on in the middle of the day to kill a raid mob.

Don't take this question the wrong way, this isn't a sob story, just a legitimate question

[Adrieth]

So, here's a proposal I'd like feedback on from TMO and other guilds. Similar to Berty's suggestion, but laid out plain and simple.

For regular Kunark and Planar raid mobs, the following should be considered:

Each guild willing to participate in the rotation takes 1 turn (20 minute head start/engage rule), alternated with an open race. This applies to: Venril Sathir, Trakanon, Cazic Thule, Inny, Maestro, Gore, Sev, Tal. So, a simulated rotation would be:

1. TMO
2. Open Race
3. BDA
4. Open Race
5. Divinity
etc.

Once the 20 minutes are up, it becomes a race/FTE situation. It's no secret TMO will likely continue to win most races, so you get all the shiny pixels you can handle. This schedule allows for better server involvement, more competition for TMO/BDA (which we all claim to want), and still enforces all guilds to keep track of spawn timers and trackers in zone.

Draco remains a fully contested spawn, VP remains fully contested with existing rules.

What's wrong with it? Go.

[quido]

Lol, it never ends.

[Adrieth]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, it never ends.

Good comeback.

[Daliant17447]

Heres what I would propose for a rotation

Trakanon:
Open race
BDA gets 10 minute head start
Any guild but TMO/BDA get a 20 minute head start
-repeat-

VS:
Open race
Open race
Any guild but TMO/BDA get a 20 minute head start
-repeat-

Cazic Thule:
Open race
BDA gets 15 minute head start
Any guild but TMO/BDA get a 30 minute head start
-repeat-

Innoruuk
Open race
BDA gets 10 minute head start
Any guild but TMO/BDA get a 20 minute head start

All other targets are open race every spawn

[suptoofs]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, it never ends.

Why can't you ever say something constructive? You're retorts are always douchey