Items with worn effects (i.e. Regeneration/Flowing Thought)

[Ele]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That breastplate is Luclin era. It came into play when there was the GM event that turned all the karanas green because of the plagues that bertoxx sent. This event occurred luclin era. Conceivably its stats aren't much different that what will be dropping in velious, and probably wouldn't effect anything if such GM event were to happen here.

The earliest comment on the Zam page is October 15, 2001, pre-Luclin.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6854

Thanks for the congrats guys. I love my new BP.

Just wanted to correct TheGrandGuru on his obvious reading of the spdat.eff file and thinking he knows what this spell does.

This spell IS self only because its NOT a spell. It is an effect just like the Fungus Covered Scale Tunic.
Your comparing of the file data of the cast spell to this effect is like comparing the spell cast by the Fungus Covered Great Staff to the effect of the Fungus Tunic. The spell and the effect have the same name, yet they do two entirely different things.
The effect on this Breast Plate is a permanent effect that effects the person wearing it as long as they have it equipped. It is not a spell you have to click on to make the item proc its effect on you. Therefore the duration and ticks you are pulling from the spdat.eff file do not apply.

[ArumTP]

mybad

[Erati]

Ft1 only stacks with Ft 2 which will give u 3 which will stack with FT3 which will give u 6 etc.

You could NEVER stack 5 FT1 items and get 5 mana regen before Luclin. I believe sometime way later they just made it hardcap at 15 and the items just say mana regen. though the 15 ft cap might have always been in but just pretty impossible to obtain w just velious)

If the higher FT simply overwrites the lower one meh not that big of deal as mostly people will only have FT1 neway with a few will have both FT1 and 2 so ur not losing much. FT mechanic never ever ever let u stack multiple versions of FT1 to get anything more than just 1 tho.

[Aeolwind]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

final link to patch : http://everquest.allakhazam.com/hist...es-2002-1.html


** Spells **

- Necromancer Group spells should now be working, they were only
affecting the caster. This includes spells such as: Degeneration,
Succession of Shadows, Crippling Claudication, and Zavfeer's Theft of
Vitae. These spells have also had their duration increased. Mind Wrack
will be fixed soon.
- Shadowknight "Torrent" spells have also been fixed and have had their
duration increased as well
- Flowing Thought effects will now stack
- Meditating on a horse occurs only while not in combat
- Mark of Retribution should work as intended
- The Decession spell now requires you to be in the same group
- Levitation can no longer be used in The Deep
- Fixed a problem that was still allowing people to Cast Eye of Zomm in
Ssra Temple
- Fixed a problem that was still allowing people to cast Call of the
Hero in Ssra Temple
- NPCs that cannot be stunned will once again take damage from damaging
stun spells (this was actually patched earlier along with an emergency
patch)
- Critical heals and nukes now display damage numbers (this was
actually patched earlier along with an emergency patch)

Pretty decisive proof that it didn't stack till Luclin. Highest value is all that had effect till then.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ft1 only stacks with Ft 2 which will give u 3 which will stack with FT3 which will give u 6 etc.

You could NEVER stack 5 FT1 items and get 5 mana regen before Luclin. I believe sometime way later they just made it hardcap at 15 and the items just say mana regen. though the 15 ft cap might have always been in but just pretty impossible to obtain w just velious)

If the higher FT simply overwrites the lower one meh not that big of deal as mostly people will only have FT1 neway with a few will have both FT1 and 2 so ur not losing much. FT mechanic never ever ever let u stack multiple versions of FT1 to get anything more than just 1 tho.

Does anyone have real evidence of this? Would be great to know. We are getting alot of first hand accounts/memories but little evidence. I am guessing this will likely be unanswearable with a high degree of certainty.

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty decisive proof that it didn't stack till Luclin. Highest value is all that had effect till then.

Actually is in absolutely no way decisive proof.

[Erati]

Heres my question tho, that just says "Flowing thought items stack" but doesnt say anything about the unique stacking method most players remember ( Ft 1+ Ft2 etc ).


Was there ever a time in Luclin u could stack multiple versions of Ft 1 and they stacked ( after these patch notes) Also when did they change to just + mana regen bc then Ft1s would b stacking which also coulda been from this patch.

Basically im wondering if the different levels of Ft were each considered their own thing and thus u couldnt stack multiple FT1 or FT2 before these notes but since they might have been their own effects u could gain benefit from each effect individually since if they were a buff would have different names.

More research needs to b done and unfort im at work but that one sentence shouldnt b the death nail in different versions of FT goin at the same time.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Heres my question tho, that just says "Flowing thought items stack" but doesnt say anything about the unique stacking method most players remember ( Ft 1+ Ft2 etc ).



More research needs to b done and unfort im at work but that one sentence shouldnt b the death nail in different versions of FT goin at the same time.

Exactly. Needs more research or maybe a Nilbog response. I've done ALOT of research on this and cant find anything definitive [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]((((

[feanan]

If you look at the allakhazam page for FT1
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/s...tml?spell=1298
you will see that someone with a green name and a lot of posts posted in 2003:

"Nope, Flowing Thought does not stack, it takes the highest one available and ignores the rest. So if you have a Blessed Coldain Prayer Shawl (FT3), and an Earring of the Solstice (FT1), then the earring isn't doing you and good in the mana regen department.
Edit: Oh, and no, if you have TWO FT1 items, you won't get 2 mana per tick, just once. "

and again in april 2003

"I did some research, as of the January 8th patch, ALL flowing thought items stack with each other, even two of the same level. So 2 FT1 witem will give you 2 mana per tick. You don't even have to pick one of each level."

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by feanan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you look at the allakhazam page for FT1
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/s...tml?spell=1298
you will see that someone with a green name and a lot of posts posted in 2003:

"Nope, Flowing Thought does not stack, it takes the highest one available and ignores the rest. So if you have a Blessed Coldain Prayer Shawl (FT3), and an Earring of the Solstice (FT1), then the earring isn't doing you and good in the mana regen department.
Edit: Oh, and no, if you have TWO FT1 items, you won't get 2 mana per tick, just once. "

and again in april 2003

"I did some research, as of the January 8th patch, ALL flowing thought items stack with each other, even two of the same level. So 2 FT1 witem will give you 2 mana per tick. You don't even have to pick one of each level."

On that same exact thread you also see this post

ALSO I find it VERY curious that you posted those 2 posts and not the one exactly in the middle of them...your second post is actually a response to the one i just linked.

WTF man?


RE: Not stackable
QuoteReply# Apr 12 2003 at 10:26 AM Rating: Default Mkorak
11 posts
Sorry man, but you are wrong. FT items stack as long as they are differant types, up to FT15.

FT1+FT2+FT3+FT4+FT5=FT15

So if you have a FT3 and a FT1 then you have FT4.

[Erati]

Alarti is the wizards best hope with his quest for some semblance of mana regen.

Stick to your guns and make people prove it didnt stack in the unique method that many remember. I think the biggest problem is the era in which we are trying to pinpoint there was not alot of items in the game to test this. It was always well known multiple FT1 s did not stack. But there was like 2-3 other items that even had a higher ft TO STACK WITH. So if basically no one had two of these items to test before Luclin its veru hard to say if they stacked or overwrote. Those patch noted could simply refer to the era when it didnt matter if it was multiple instances of the same FT stacking ( which is mentioned in that alla post having many of same type to stack up).

Think ab the nature of the effect, why have thrm conviently add up to the hardcap if they didnt stack one on top of another so u had to seek out one of each FT type to b capped.

Velious only mostly offers FT1 so this may b moot but it is basically the holy grail of effects for casters in our classic trilogy would b nice if it worked properly.