Items with worn effects (i.e. Regeneration/Flowing Thought)

[Arteker]

From the EQ Developer's Corner:
posted 01-08-2002 11:13 AM user search report post
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Bigmeeno wrote:
From todays patch message...


quote:
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- Flowing Thought effects will now stack
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with...
a) Clarity
b) PotG
c) other FT items
d) the all new uber.. err.. useless shaman mana potions
d) a and b
e) a, b and d
f) a, b, c and d
g) none of the above
h) other

Couldnt they have been just a little more specific?

Sorry, I guess that was a little less than descriptive.

How about this:

- Flowing Thought effects will now stack with other Flowing Thought effects.

Alan

[Arteker]

in velious FT items didint stack . higheer FT item would be the one working.

howver u could stack up to 5 aura of battles worn items.

if u look carefully at aas per expansion u will see how they allowed u to break the caps.

later to avoid confusion they switched worn efects for FT atk hp rege to be displayed as numbers so u could calculate the max u have and wich aas u needed to raise the cap.

Main reason u have now fungy tunic now with regeneration xxx rubi with rege xxx and iskar bp with xxx.

[Arteker]

more links .
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=8982
nother FT slot
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#May 23 2002 at 12:22 PMRating: Good
Kataliya
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I believe this information is inaccurate. Corrction below:

ALL Flowinng Thought effects will stack with one another, poeriod. There APPEARS to be a maximum of FT15, as shown by multiple logs posted to various public forums. There are additional effects (such as "Zephyr of Brell" and "Lunar Whispers") that add additional levels of mana regenration, and as of this writing, none of these effects have been proven to NOT stack.

HOWEVER, the issue is complicated by some logs floating around out there that seem indicate there is no FT cap, but this is hotly disputed. The cap *appears* to be FT15, but unfortunately untill VI gives us a difinitive statement regarding the issue, nothing is certain. /sigh


***EDIT***: Sadly, mana regeneration via worn items has been HARD CAPPED at 15 as of the patch most recent to this writing. A discussion and logs proving this can be found here: http://www.********.org/forums/showt...?threadid=1543

This, IMHO, sucks. =(

Edited, Tue Jun 11 20:30:04 2002
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[Ele]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Needs to be researched to get a conclusive opinion. I have heard that the original developer statements were wrong, and that FT did stack. I have also heard that flowing thought shouldn't stack with flowing thought of the same level.

For example, should a Flowing Thought I item stack with another Flowing Thought I item?

With a cap of Flowing Thought 15 being in place, was that an arbitrary number or was it based on: FT1+FT2+FT3+FT4+FT5 = FT15 ?

Long time coming, but finally got some stuff on this. Surprisingly, CastersRealm and Graffe didn't really have anything contemporaneous with Velious, only post-stacking patch Luclin information.


End Result: Flowing Thought does not stack in any respect, highest Flowing Thought wins.

The January 8, 2002 (Luclin Era) patch changed that so all kinds of FT stacked with each other up to a maximum of FT15.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...53&postcount=7

Also, for the record, if you have 2 items with the Flowing Thought effect, only the one with the highest value will affect you(similar to the way haste items work). IE they don't stack with each other.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...52&postcount=2

2. Flowing Thought effect (often referred to as FT) stacks with all known forms of mana regeneration spells, but it will not stack with itself. i.e., if you had an item with FT 2, and had clarity, it will stack and give two more mana per tick than clarity alone.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...0&postcount=12

Flowing Thought items are like haste items, you can equip as many as you like but the one with the highest value overwrites the effect of the others.

This thread on EQ Clerics contains some good discussion. It is the same day as the stacking patch January 8, 2002, but includes a break down of the previous FT system and the rumor mill of how it might work once the servers came back up.

The original post in the thread echos Nilbog's words above.

The word from the developers (Lawrence Poe to be exact) is that FT is supposed to stack, and that it not stacking (like it doesn't now) is a bug and on the list of things to fix. Now if that isn't huge for casters I don't know what is. Hell I'm bit afraid it'll trivialize some stuff since against weaker mobs I'm not losing any mana as it is (all NToV dragons except Vyemm for example).

There is this lone post by the EQ Clerics Admin, but it is immediately disputed by the next several posts.

The way FT has worked until now is that FTs would stack ONLY if they weren't the same. For instance, FT1 and FT2 would stack but 2 FT 1 items would not work. So if they fixed the stacking issue, then 2 FT1 items should now stack. Bit funny they say that it's broken now when it's been this way since the release of Velious AND "working as intended(tm)".

However, the above post is immediately disputed by the next several posters:

Boanerges I have to disagree. ... Looking at every test done sofar with FT items *noone* have stacked. Not same FT values and not different FT values. What will be the case after this patch remains to be seen. I hope they all with stack.

FT never stacked in any form. It always took your highest version, and that was the extra mana you got. With this patch, if it works as intended, ALL FT items will stack. So if you have 3 FT1 items, 2 FT2 items, and 1 FT3 item, you will have mana regen of 10 from your FT items.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Long time coming, but finally got some stuff on this. Surprisingly, CastersRealm and Graffe didn't really have anything contemporaneous with Velious, only post-stacking patch Luclin information.


End Result: Flowing Thought does not stack in any respect, highest Flowing Thought wins.

The January 8, 2002 (Luclin Era) patch changed that so all kinds of FT stacked with each other up to a maximum of FT15.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...53&postcount=7


http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...52&postcount=2


http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...0&postcount=12



This thread on EQ Clerics contains some good discussion. It is the same day as the stacking patch January 8, 2002, but includes a break down of the previous FT system and the rumor mill of how it might work once the servers came back up.

The original post in the thread echos Nilbog's words above.



There is this lone post by the EQ Clerics Admin, but it is immediately disputed by the next several posts.


However, the above post is immediately disputed by the next several posters:

Hmmm,

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...52&postcount=2

This link you left out some stuff

1. Those items are rare. They either drop off high end mobs or can only be gotten through extremely difficult quests. (read: King Tormax's head, 7th Coldain Prayer Shawl, Robe off Cazic Thule, etc.)

2. Flowing Thought effect (often referred to as FT) stacks with all known forms of mana regeneration spells, but it will not stack with itself. i.e., if you had an item with FT 2, and had clarity, it will stack and give two more mana per tick than clarity alone.

3. Two mana per tick sounds like a lot - and it is at lower levels - but if you consider the total mana pool and mana regeneration rate level 55+ character would have, it really doesn't make or break a character.

Edit: No, I don't have an item with FT, though I could conceivably get one. But the time and effort would be better spent if I were to upgrade my HP/mana than 1 more mana per tick.

Not sure if we should trust an unqualified response.



Also, the other ones offer opinions, not sure if we should go with a gran assumption. Need real data. Alot of people back in the day like to offer up their opinions as fact.

[Alarti0001]

This issue is likely going to come down to best guess, or Nilbog's discretion.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, the other ones offer opinions, not sure if we should go with a gran assumption. Need real data. Alot of people back in the day like to offer up their opinions as fact.

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually remember it just being top FT being it.. SO Ft1+Ft2+Ft3=Ft3

But my memory is subject to time, persuasion, and second-hand information.

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[Erati]

Ft1 only stacks with Ft 2 which will give u 3 which will stack with FT3 which will give u 6 etc.

You could NEVER stack 5 FT1 items and get 5 mana regen before Luclin. I believe sometime way later they just made it hardcap at 15 and the items just say mana regen. though the 15 ft cap might have always been in but just pretty impossible to obtain w just velious)

If the higher FT simply overwrites the lower one meh not that big of deal as mostly people will only have FT1 neway with a few will have both FT1 and 2 so ur not losing much. FT mechanic never ever ever let u stack multiple versions of FT1 to get anything more than just 1 tho.

[Erati]

Heres my question tho, that just says "Flowing thought items stack" but doesnt say anything about the unique stacking method most players remember ( Ft 1+ Ft2 etc ).


Was there ever a time in Luclin u could stack multiple versions of Ft 1 and they stacked ( after these patch notes) Also when did they change to just + mana regen bc then Ft1s would b stacking which also coulda been from this patch.

Basically im wondering if the different levels of Ft were each considered their own thing and thus u couldnt stack multiple FT1 or FT2 before these notes but since they might have been their own effects u could gain benefit from each effect individually since if they were a buff would have different names.

More research needs to b done and unfort im at work but that one sentence shouldnt b the death nail in different versions of FT goin at the same time.