Game Mechanics: Pulling while Invisible

[Daliant17447]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

case closed. Fix this shit asap.

+1 Fix this obviously broken mechanic. Its sad that people are defending this shit in the name of easy pixels.

Originally Posted by Xadion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sorry peeps but "on EQ Mac" does not = "how it should be on p99"

You're right. "How it was in 1999-2001" = "how it should be on p99". In this case, "How it was in 1999-2001" = "how it is now on EQ Mac".

It is plain as day that the people claiming "invis pulling worked on all mobs as long as there were no see-invis" are only making this claim to protect their current methods of farming pixels, and its pathetic.
Also, hide and sneak should not 100% clear FD memory, it has never worked that way in EQ.

[Splorf22]

Just an addition here, but a big part of the problem is that you only drop invis when you begin to cast, not when you finish.

[uygi]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just an addition here, but a big part of the problem is that you only drop invis when you begin to cast, not when you finish.

Can't tell if you're claiming that's a bug, Loraen. It certainly worked that way on Live. Just ask any porter that would have somebody invis him mid-cast.

[Nirgon]

Invis should only break on cast or action not on completion.

[Xadion]

Originally Posted by Daliant17447 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

+1 Fix this obviously broken mechanic. Its sad that people are defending this shit in the name of easy pixels.


You're right. "How it was in 1999-2001" = "how it should be on p99". In this case, "How it was in 1999-2001" = "how it is now on EQ Mac".

It is plain as day that the people claiming "invis pulling worked on all mobs as long as there were no see-invis" are only making this claim to protect their current methods of farming pixels, and its pathetic.
Also, hide and sneak should not 100% clear FD memory, it has never worked that way in EQ.

Its clear as day for me that I am stateing from my personal experiances (as we all are, untill some patch notes are found) that on live from the time I got a prenerf CoS in kunark untill sometime around Luclin or PoPish era - I could invs pull shit all over the place- any SK from live can atest to invs pulling if they had a prenerf CoS-- prenerf CoS's didnt sell on live for very very large amounts of plat just for the "conveniance" of instant invs- it was because of what it did for the SK and their ability to pull- useing hide is just an extension of that.

[Daliant17447]

Pre-nerf CoS was so desirable due to its usefulness regarding FD. A shadowknight could stand from being feigned and immediately click CoS and the mobs would still believe the player was FD as long as the mobs could not see invis. This didn't completely clear FD memory though, if you dropped your invis before the mobs reset they would still remember you.

As has been mentioned there were probably many places where invis pulling was possible but that doesn't mean it was possible everywhere. A mob should be basing its decision to social agro on the pursuing mob's faction, not the players faction, that is the real problem here.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Xadion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(as we all are, untill some patch notes are found)

You do realize that sometimes (most times!) things are not correct in the EQ Emu code that were never broken in live and thus you will never find a patch note, right?

If this doesn't work on EQ Mac, I have to agree it needs to go from here. After fixing this, if there's specific examples of where it should work? Then we can list those and maybe figure out. As it stands, its very bad imo.

[Frieza_Prexus]

I'm trying to find documentation, so far nothing, but this worked in VP. Which, ironically, is what some are trying to get nerfed.

Generally, we'd clear all the see invis wurms on the way to a dragon, and then just send an SK to bring it in. Heck, we'd even get the see invis wurms solo by just running the sk up until they aggroed.

[Nirgon]

Where's the patch note where they changed it for Planes of Power?

Or is Hobart over at EQ Mac wrong?

I'll trust the guy with a Vulak loot named after him.

[Xadion]

So when asked, Hobart said that EQMac's pulling code and faction code and invs code is exactly the same as it was in 1999, or kunark or velious or luclin?