is wow the best MMORPG ever?

[falkun]

lawll, the other issue between P99/EQ and WoW is voice chat and User Interface. WoW may have had more complicated raid mechanics, but their fighting this never-ending arms race with boss counter mods. Classic EQ doesn't have a BIG RED SCREEN that will tell you you are STANDING IN THE BAD, you just get hit by it unless you know how to LOS or know the range.

Also, classic EQ had the entire raid force talking via typing, which is like 10x SLOWER than voice chat. Try doing non-farm bosses in WoW without boss counter mods and voice chat, the game would be much more difficult.

The difference now is we have P99 and voice chat and boss abilities are known (even if they can't make UI elements for them). You are getting virtually the convenience of WoW with the difficulty of EQ, making EQ easier than intended.

[lawll]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lawll, the other issue between P99/EQ and WoW is voice chat and User Interface. WoW may have had more complicated raid mechanics, but their fighting this never-ending arms race with boss counter mods. Classic EQ doesn't have a BIG RED SCREEN that will tell you you are STANDING IN THE BAD, you just get hit by it unless you know how to LOS or know the range.

Also, classic EQ had the entire raid force talking via typing, which is like 10x SLOWER than voice chat. Try doing non-farm bosses in WoW without boss counter mods and voice chat, the game would be much more difficult.

The difference now is we have P99 and voice chat and boss abilities are known (even if they can't make UI elements for them). You are getting virtually the convenience of WoW with the difficulty of EQ, making EQ easier than intended.

Thats my point EQ was only hard because of dialup, 3d mmo's was a new thing, and the clunky UI. Wow took all the pointless grinds from EQ out of the mmo world and made it fun not a time sink. Every time someone says EQ was a hard game it's because of the endless grinds that held back progression. EQ did a lot for the mmo market they showed us what not to do in a mmo game. Wow also has a in house game engine that allows them to customize and change so much without the limits of a 3rd part game engine (almost every new mmo has a damn 3rd party game engine). Bliz is a well oiled money making machine and the top 1% doesn't bring it in.

[Arclanz]

Iawll, you say EQ is made for 1% of players then go on to say how much easier it is than WoW. Then you say that all WoW players get to see most of the WoW content. But everyone knows WoW is a stupid-easy game, which is why 11 year old kids play it.

Patience, determination, and perseverance are important traits; and players who exhibit them (EQ players) deserve credit. Heck, real life is easy too...success is more a factor of these traits rather than being "difficult."

So, if you have a kid; I'd encourage them to Play EQ rather than WoW. The former teaches important life skills; the latter breeds a welfare mentality of being handed rewards for nothing.

This difference aside, I totally agree with your post and that SOE wasted zounds of dev time on content very few (including myself) will ever see.

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by Arclanz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Iawll, you say EQ is made for 1% of players then go on to say how much easier it is than WoW. Then you say that all WoW players get to see most of the WoW content. But everyone knows WoW is a stupid-easy game, which is why 11 year old kids play it.

Patience, determination, and perseverance are important traits; and players who exhibit them (EQ players) deserve credit. Heck, real life is easy too...success is more a factor of these traits rather than being "difficult."

So, if you have a kid; I'd encourage them to Play EQ rather than WoW. The former teaches important life skills; the latter breeds a welfare mentality of being handed rewards for nothing.

This difference aside, I totally agree with your post and that SOE wasted zounds of dev time on content very few (including myself) will ever see.

EQ is not a game built for mass appeal. It is like old school dungeons and dragons if you played it the way it was meant to be played. It was hard. Very little instant gratification. Hell 75 percent of the classes can not even play the game on their own. Who wants to play a warrior who has to sit and wait 30 entire minutes to get his health back, and who can barely solo kill a light blue mob with full health?

That isn't patience and determination, its masochism.

[lawll]

Originally Posted by Arclanz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Iawll, you say EQ is made for 1% of players then go on to say how much easier it is than WoW. Then you say that all WoW players get to see most of the WoW content. But everyone knows WoW is a stupid-easy game, which is why 11 year old kids play it.

Patience, determination, and perseverance are important traits; and players who exhibit them (EQ players) deserve credit. Heck, real life is easy too...success is more a factor of these traits rather than being "difficult."

So, if you have a kid; I'd encourage them to Play EQ rather than WoW. The former teaches important life skills; the latter breeds a welfare mentality of being handed rewards for nothing.

This difference aside, I totally agree with your post and that SOE wasted zounds of dev time on content very few (including myself) will ever see.

EQ is for the top 1% dedicated raid players. To be the top 1% dedicated raid guild in classic EQ you had to have numbers and poopsock spawns. WoW just cut out all of the grind in the game and made everything straight to the point. Also do you know 11 year old players that run in heroic raids? Wow is still a changeling game it's just not unforgiving all the time like EQ was.

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by lawll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQ is for the top 1% dedicated raid players. To be the top 1% dedicated raid guild in classic EQ you had to have numbers and poopsock spawns. WoW just cut out all of the grind in the game and made everything straight to the point. Also do you know 11 year old players that run in heroic raids? Wow is still a changeling game it's just not unforgiving all the time like EQ was.

It may very well be for a certain 1% segment of the MMO players, but it isn't the "top" 1%, just a very ornery 1%. EQ had a lot more appeal for the cybor whores and trade skillers than it did the raiders. There were a lot more of those long after the raiders left to play other games.

A certain segment of players stick to all games. If you wanted to play a really hard game you would have stuck with Ultima Online. That was like playing everquest but with a level cap of like 10, where a couple of hits from anything would always kill you, and when a player jumped you they could loot everything you own, and sometimes steal your whole house if you were dumb and had a teleport rune on you. Corp por! Corp por!

[porigromus]

< > is the best MMORPG ever! Best is subjective to who is making the statement. Fill in the space with YOUR correct answer. You can never determine the best MMORPG or anything else for someone else.

[kaev]

Why do people always argue matters of purely personal taste as if there were some sort of grand universal truth involved?

WoW is the "best MMORPG ever", for YOU, if you believe that to be true.

IMO, this entire discussion is as stupid and pointless as those terribad "less filling" "tastes great" beer commercials of yesteryear, which (again IMO) ought to embarrass the hell out of all of you for having participated in it. In other words, troll succeeds, mission accomplished, gratz to the OP (unless he is serious, in which case he should be even more embarrassed than the rest of you.)

[Kimm Barely]

EQ was my first and I will never forget, but let's face it - Vanilla WoW was the pinnacle of MMORPGs.

The next level of MMORPG won't be reached until virtual reality or brain implant gaming.

[lawll]

Originally Posted by Anesthia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vanilla WoW was not the pinnacle of MMORPGs. It was the only game of its kind in town at the time. And it was HOT. Unlike classic WoW, EQ did the MMO thing first and claims the nostalgia title. You can cite DAoC and Meridian 59, but EQ did it first on a public-friendly, mass-appeal scale.

WoW is the pinnacle of MMORPG game engines. It has the most responsive smooth game engine than any mmo even to this day. WoW is so big because of that and from day one everyone knew the engine had such potential. Only if new mmos would use WoWs game engine as a standard to develop their own.