MOTD: Consider rolling red

[mwatt]

@Humerox

You made a show of addressing my comments on a point by point basis. Unfortunately, you discourse like a politician. When you answer a question or address a point you answer only as much of it as is convenient then you use the rest of your answer to talk about what you want to talk about.

I am not going to rebut other than to say I stand behind what I already said. I don't hold out any hope of influencing you though - not sure why I bother. Your ilk does not see the beauty in the original game. What you are doing on Red is an abomination IMO. But to each their own I suppose. I'd just as soon keep red posts out of the blue areas however. It's annoying.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

@Humerox

You made a show of addressing my comments on a point by point basis. Unfortunately, you discourse like a politician. When you answer a question or address a point you answer only as much of it as is convenient then you use the rest of your answer to talk about what you want to talk about.

I am not going to rebut other than to say I stand behind what I already said. I don't hold out any hope of influencing you though - not sure why I bother. Your ilk does not see the beauty in the original game. What you are doing on Red is an abomination IMO. But to each their own I suppose. I'd just as soon keep red posts out of the blue areas however. It's annoying.

My ilk? I played just about from server up on P99 and was an original member of Divinity. Still am afaik...I haven't logged on in a while...but my reputation on blue was impeccable...save a little trolling I did (on a forum alt) early on in the server timeline against DA. Which, btw...is the point I consider that what I loved about EQ on P99 was being lost, but that's another story.

I get it that you don't like PvP in EQ...that's OK. This post is directed at people that are on the fence, frustrated at the dramafest in the raid scene, and uninformed about the changes on red lately. We've had some results, which is cool.

I'm sorry you're annoyed.

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[mwatt]

Previous comments aside I do respect the tenor and rationality of your writing. You do not spin out into emotional tirade and name calling when someone presents an opposing point of view. Instead you take the high ground, something that I usually pride myself on but you have gone me one better in these exchanges I think.

In short, though I don't agree with all that you say, you at least say it in an adult fashion - something that in my observation is not so common among PVP advocates. I stand corrected on my "ilk" remark. I was stereo-typing you and I was wrong.

If there were more folks like you on the Red server, it would have a much higher population IMO. However, as you have surmised, you still wouldn't find me there. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Finally, PVP promotion in the Blue forums does in fact annoy me, but perhaps that isn't fair. When someone like you posts rationally and thoughtfully (and this is rare), it is more palatable.

[kazroth]

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there were more folks like you on the Red server, it would have a much higher population IMO.

Not to toot my own horn, but I'm logging in as we speak. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Haul]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My ilk? I played just about from server up on P99 and was an original member of Divinity. Still am afaik...I haven't logged on in a while...but my reputation on blue was impeccable...save a little trolling I did (on a forum alt) early on in the server timeline against DA. Which, btw...is the point I consider that what I loved about EQ on P99 was being lost, but that's another story.

I get it that you don't like PvP in EQ...that's OK. This post is directed at people that are on the fence, frustrated at the dramafest in the raid scene, and uninformed about the changes on red lately. We've had some results, which is cool.

I'm sorry you're annoyed.

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[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played just about from server up on P99 and was an original member of Divinity. Still am afaik ...

Pretty sure you still are. You should log in for a ragefire every now and then.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My ilk? I played just about from server up on P99 and was an original member of Divinity. Still am afaik...I haven't logged on in a while...but my reputation on blue was impeccable...save a little trolling I did (on a forum alt) early on in the server timeline against DA. Which, btw...is the point I consider that what I loved about EQ on P99 was being lost, but that's another story.

I get it that you don't like PvP in EQ...that's OK. This post is directed at people that are on the fence, frustrated at the dramafest in the raid scene, and uninformed about the changes on red lately. We've had some results, which is cool.

I'm sorry you're annoyed.

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Humerox = class act

[Destan]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This post is directed at people that are on the fence, frustrated at the dramafest in the raid scene, and uninformed about the changes on red lately.(

This is 'grass is greener' point of view right? In my boredom at work I'll look through posts on both red and blue, and it seems like the raid scene on both servers is a dramafest. In fact, it would be accurate to say the raid scene on any server, in any game with raiding, is usually a dramafest.

However, I do wish you guys on Red luck in getting your numbers up. All you need is a solid approach to cultivating new members and a method for keeping them. One of the things you'll often see long-time EverQuest players mention when explaining what every MMO has lacked since is that sense of community. That's really the biggest issue for Red, it doesn't feel like EverQuest. It looks like it, has the same features, but you almost need to get five buddies to start with you in order to guarantee you'll have a group. I know you guys are petitioning for global ooc, and while it's not classic, it WOULD probably help. Although even then, if lonely guy A is in Greater Faydark and lonely guy B is in Blackburrow, it still won't help them do much besides sympathize with each other's struggles.

I think you should start up a padawan program. New person joins, posts a message on the forums, and a high level takes them under their wing. If said new person is struggling, that high level can lend a hand to get them through the rough spots.

[Angkar]

Originally Posted by Destan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is 'grass is greener' point of view right? In my boredom at work I'll look through posts on both red and blue, and it seems like the raid scene on both servers is a dramafest. In fact, it would be accurate to say the raid scene on any server, in any game with raiding, is usually a dramafest.

However, I do wish you guys on Red luck in getting your numbers up. All you need is a solid approach to cultivating new members and a method for keeping them. One of the things you'll often see long-time EverQuest players mention when explaining what every MMO has lacked since is that sense of community. That's really the biggest issue for Red, it doesn't feel like EverQuest. It looks like it, has the same features, but you almost need to get five buddies to start with you in order to guarantee you'll have a group. I know you guys are petitioning for global ooc, and while it's not classic, it WOULD probably help. Although even then, if lonely guy A is in Greater Faydark and lonely guy B is in Blackburrow, it still won't help them do much besides sympathize with each other's struggles.

I think you should start up a padawan program. New person joins, posts a message on the forums, and a high level takes them under their wing. If said new person is struggling, that high level can lend a hand to get them through the rough spots.

Half bump, half quote.