Trakanon Rotation

[Maze513]

ok VD its easy... 2 dragon are up TMO engages one.... VD kills other... OMG new found respect.. Hay Juu guys wanna share? lol Ta fucking Da.. and Next time CB make this post in the Raiding Guild forums.... makes a lil more sense if U wanna be a raiding guild

[Fazlazen]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For me, its the fact that I didn't do it on Live. If I wanted a PVP game, I wouldn't come back to a notoriously PVE game.

With that said, the competition is fun, especially on some mobs. I thoroughly enjoy fighting TMO for CT when the zone fully repops. Gore last week was also enjoyable. However, VP is an entirely different animal. The training that is prevented in other zones by server rules are freely allowed in VP. If VP was managed with the same PVE rules that exist for the rest of the server, I'd be fine with competition. But griefing and competition are not the same in my opinion. If you grief, expect to be griefed, but I'll respond to competition with competition.

Whats to say VP can't be "TRAIN FREE" ?

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Alkorin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They say above that they can kill every dragon in VP if uncontested. Why not give them the chance?

Let them put their money where their mouths are. If they fail to clear VP within some time frame, they should agree to leave you all alone while you do so, until they are capable of competing.

TMO / IB did not compete for their first VP dragon kills. GM intervention gave them 3 dragons each on release. They fought for a min after that, but then decided to rotate instead. What gives TMO the right to deny VD a chance at the same pie? Instead they chose to compete by raid interfering while on suspension, so VD returns the favor by competing with raid interference now. All of a sudden they can't kill mobs in VP, so raid interference shouldn't be allowed.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For me, its the fact that I didn't do it on Live. If I wanted a PVP game, I wouldn't come back to a notoriously PVE game.

With that said, the competition is fun, especially on some mobs. I thoroughly enjoy fighting TMO for CT when the zone fully repops. Gore last week was also enjoyable. However, VP is an entirely different animal. The training that is prevented in other zones by server rules are freely allowed in VP. If VP was managed with the same PVE rules that exist for the rest of the server, I'd be fine with competition. But griefing and competition are not the same in my opinion. If you grief, expect to be griefed, but I'll respond to competition with competition.

a notoriously COMPETITIVE pve game. you are right in that VP is an entirely different animal insofar as that training and griefing were allowed, and as such, VP is not an acceptable zone to use as an example of comparison, because as u said, the rule set is unique in that single zone. but in the rest of the world, the rules still apply. and i never once suggested pvp, so i dunno where that comment of yours originated from.

but lets stick to Trak as the thread is titled, you say you will answer grief with grief and competition with competition. but in regards to trak, it sounds like (at least to me) some people want to respond to competition by not competing and instead just having mobs handed to them.

and my point is that there's no challenge in the actual killing of mobs. it's the other rival guilds that make the encounter challenging.

<3

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Wotsirb401 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The word "exploit" does not exist in VP. Haven't you read the many posts about there not being any rules in that zone. If there are no rules then anything is allowed.

100% wrong.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...19&postcount=1

Let's take a look at that again.

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Zones deemed Non-Disputable will have no CSR interaction on raid disputes. We will not respond to or take any action on raid disputes involving these zones. Currently the only zone that this applies to is Veeshan's Peak.

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no CSR interaction on raid disputes. We will not respond to or take any action on raid disputes involving these zones.

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raid disputes
Ninja looting is not a raid dispute. It is an individual basis. If a mob is killed in a non-disputable zone, the group (and thus raid/guild) that is merited the kill has rights to the loot. If they don't grant you permission to loot the corpse, you are violating an individual server rule by ninja looting.

Pathetic honestly that you are resorting to that after losing a kill and crying about it.

If you have any more questions about this you can send me a PM.

If we took speed limits away, people would drive 150mph in school zones , I know I would

Then you are a reckless person that only cares about your self and ignores the well being of others.

[falkun]

O this is going to be fun!

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rotations come about when two guilds legitimately are capable of engaging and downing a raid target/zone and the time/energy investment becomes too much to keep the heightened state of competition sustained indefinitely, ala camping at Trakanon ledge every 3 days.

Like TMO is forcing VD to do right now (and vice versa?) The OP directly addresses this.

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without proving to the server or themselves that VD is capable of killing a dragon in VP through legitimate competition or even simply asking "hey we have x number of keys and we would like to try a VP dragon please give us one shot uncontested to see if we can stand up to it and maybe we can talk later about a rotation".

Cold has been asking for a VP rotation for some time. Zeelot has been stonewalling her. If she would get a better response by asking for a single shot, I'm sure we will take that avenue to "prove" ourselves as many of your members insist.

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are several VD members in this thread that have asked what TMO will do to make the server a better place, when they should be asking that question of themselves before asking anyone else.

VD forced an open Ragefire agreement that TMO nearly ignored (after agreeing to it). TMO wanted a rotation when they were suspended, but then dropped the topic immediately after their raid suspension was dropped early. VD even submitted an updated Ragefire bug report when the bug fix was found to not be implemented the way it should have been.

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VD had a chance to set a new tone for the raid scene of P99 with the upsetting of the end game balance by the departure of IB, but instead has resorted to "if I beat you up enough, then you'll like me attitude".

While you were raid suspended, TMO could have stayed out of VP. However, they griefed VD in VP even when they were not allowed to kill the dragons themselves. If you wanted to change the tone of the raid scene, you would have not interfered when you could not have gained anything from the interference anyways. You griefed VD purely out of hatred.

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Two weeks ago when the top two guilds at the time were on vacation, VD instead of sharing dragons and bosses, like they now request, went and claimed all of them for themselves and in the process upsetting the other 3 raiding guilds through potentially questionable raid situations.

VD zoned their Gorenaire puller when it appeared a question of FTE might arise. Taken was in Skyfire for an hour and a half before VD showed up to compete against them for Talendor. Even after we showed up, VD did not pull Talendor until after Taken had wiped. VD also watched as TMO mages CoH'ed Taken/BDA/Divinity (I can't remember which guild(s)) down into the lair to compete against us for Trak. Please point me to any examples of raid disputes that arose from VD during the week TMO/IB were not competition.

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want respect, you first need to give respect.

Pot, meet kettle.

[quido]

I personally think full rotations are boring.

I'd have a lot more support for a system that was 50% FFA and 50% rotation, especially if the rotation portion somehow included the other guilds looking to get some action. But even such a possibility is a ways off.

Vesica Dei, I invite you to put yourself in our shoes; we were once in yours. Try to take an honest account of the situation, and bear that account in mind when you come making requests and proposals. We are far from pushovers.

In the words of the great Maultriss - "I will not be a doormat!"

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a notoriously COMPETITIVE pve game.

but lets stick to Trak as the thread is titled, you say you will answer grief with grief and competition with competition. but in regards to trak, it sounds like (at least to me) some people want to respond to competition by not competing and instead just having mobs handed to them.

and my point is that there's no challenge in the actual killing of mobs. it's the other rival guilds that make the encounter challenging.

If that's what TMO decides, then VD will be on poop mountain as they have been since the Trak agreement excluded them at the beginning of January. We have been competing against them for Trak and are on the upper hand of that fight, looking at Metallikus' numbers. I'd prefer not to have to camp out there, but if that's what it takes, I'll be there.

[Fountree]

Just admit that you want to be casual and rotate because you want loot but you can't or don't want to put the effort in to prove it to us legitimately.

[Nizzarr]

lol blue server
oh dang, this isnt in rnf already. my bad