EQ as it should have been?

[FoxxHound]

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[Groo]

I'm very grateful for the server. But I keep seeing people referring to a "classic feel," and I can tell that many people's sense of "classic" is different than mine. For me, classic EQ was when the newbie zones and cities were still full of players. The classic experience was about more than just the game settings.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Groo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm very grateful for the server. But I keep seeing people referring to a "classic feel," and I can tell that many people's sense of "classic" is different than mine. For me, classic EQ was when the newbie zones and cities were still full of players. The classic experience was about more than just the game settings.

Exactly.

As I've said a million times, just trying to restore the game settings to the classic timeline does not recreate the classic Everquest experience. You have to take far more liberties and actually change things in order to recreate the classic Everquest experience.

[Ikonoclastia]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly.

As I've said a million times, just trying to restore the game settings to the classic timeline does not recreate the classic Everquest experience. You have to take far more liberties and actually change things in order to recreate the classic Everquest experience.

The classic experience is going to be different for most people, changing the mechanics to find some special formula so everyone experiences the original EQ the way they did back in 1999 is probably impossible.

The best that can be done is probably to recreate the mechanics the way they were back then and let the players try to recreate the experience.

Modifying stuff, giving people more options, adding something from PoP or whatever is not going to be helpful in that respect imo.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Ikonoclastia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The classic experience is going to be different for most people, changing the mechanics to find some special formula so everyone experiences the original EQ the way they did back in 1999 is probably impossible.

The best that can be done is probably to recreate the mechanics the way they were back then and let the players try to recreate the experience.

The "classic experience" for anyone who actually played in 1999 was something that involved a lot of risk and exploration and adaptation. Those qualities have been lost by simply trying to restore the game settings to the way they were in 1999, both because some of the mechanics themselves are far too clunky (but we didn't care much in 1999 because it was such a new and amazing experience) and because players already know everything they have to do now. Thus, a huge part of what made Everquest an actual RPG, one of the most immersive ever, is gone.

Originally Posted by Ikonoclastia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Modifying stuff, giving people more options, adding something from PoP or whatever is not going to be helpful in that respect imo.

PoP? I never brought that up at all. Don't mix different ideas in this discussion. There are things that would improve the game and better recreate Everquest as it was intended to be, and as it was played in the beginning, and then there are things that water down the game. I'm not advocating for the latter category.

[stormlord]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly.

As I've said a million times, just trying to restore the game settings to the classic timeline does not recreate the classic Everquest experience. You have to take far more liberties and actually change things in order to recreate the classic Everquest experience.

Excellent points.

There're a million things one can bring up. First thing that comes to my mind is the fact that everything was new to us in 1999-02. There was no enormous pool of information on the internet, either. (In my later years on live I used allah almost daily to locate loots, quests, etc.) Furthermore, the graphics were considered acceptable - there was less complaining about that. The population was much higher. The list goes on.

The settings and code on p1999 are not exact. We will never perfectly duplicate it and even if we did perfectly duplicate it, as you and others have pointed out, it would still not be the same experience.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by Groo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm very grateful for the server. But I keep seeing people referring to a "classic feel," and I can tell that many people's sense of "classic" is different than mine. For me, classic EQ was when the newbie zones and cities were still full of players. The classic experience was about more than just the game settings.

Need a perma death server


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[SyanideGas]

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Need a perma death server


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Haha I would hate life :P

[Grozmok]

Classic+

[easy_lee]

To preface this post, I play an iksar monk, meaning one of the most severe xp pentalties (44% I believe).

I think the 4th is a very dangerous way of thinking, particularly the way it's phrased. If we just start removing the things that make this game difficult, frustrating, etc, we take out the accomplishment we feel when things go right.

That's part of it, but here's the more important part: who decides the way things should have been? The p1999 staff does. And the p1999 staff may not agree with you on the way things should have been. For example, a p1999 staff member may think it's a good idea to nerf your class. This being the social game that it is, nobody benefits when x or y class is nerfed.

I am in favor of 3, classic +. Item links, UI, and similar features don't affect the difficulty at all, just make the experience a little smoother.