Raid Petitions / GM CS

[Alkorin]

Stall tanking? My god, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. If you have a tank on a mob, and the tank's not dying, you're TANKING THE MOB.

Incredible...

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by Alkorin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stall tanking? My god, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. If you have a tank on a mob, and the tank's not dying, you're TANKING THE MOB.

Incredible...

yah some people kill a monster slowly in mmo's if they are on non-24 hour timers like say a 16 hour timer


if you hold it for an hour or so you can control when the respawn window will start.

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bruman, its more about the time spent than it is the pixels, to be honest. How would you like it if your guild spent some time waiting for Fay to complete a druid epic, pull it, kill it, hand out the loot, then find out later it wasn't your kill because someone from the raid force at the chessboard had aggroed it with a Eye of Zomm a second before your puller tagged it?

That's still about loot, you said it yourself - you're trying to complete a druid epic.

The only reason to kill any of these mobs from the big guilds is to get their loot (even if 99% of it they don't care about anymore). Noone cares about actually being able to kill the mob. I don't blame you guys - you've all done it 5000 times.

I mean, I understand what you're saying - every time the GMs come up with a new rule, someone will find a way to cheat it. Eye of Zoom is the current stupid thing in a long list of nonsense that's being used. But the only reason you'd spend that much time waiting on Fay, again, is for the loot.

No variance and patch-day repops would help, because more mobs = more loot = less people crying about loot, but seriously, a lot of these mobs have been on farm for a year or more, everyone knows the big guilds have banks full of pp and items rotting, so it's more of a bandaid. Nothing but clear-cut un-contestable rules will work, such as a rotation with a set time limit, or it becomes FFA / KS group wins.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's still about loot, you said it yourself - you're trying to complete a druid epic.

The only reason to kill any of these mobs from the big guilds is to get their loot (even if 99% of it they don't care about anymore). Noone cares about actually being able to kill the mob. I don't blame you guys - you've all done it 5000 times.

I mean, I understand what you're saying - every time the GMs come up with a new rule, someone will find a way to cheat it. Eye of Zoom is the current stupid thing in a long list of nonsense that's being used. But the only reason you'd spend that much time waiting on Fay, again, is for the loot.

Next time I inspect you, you better not have anything in your equipment slots then, especially planar/raid gear. Of course people want to achieve some sort of reward for their time/effort.

How does the zonewide FTE shout idea keep getting swept under the rug? It's almost like people would rather have the confusion/drama/GM intervention...

[Zapatos]

The zonewide fte shout is the best and simplest thing that can be added to the game right now that would prevent Amelinda, guides, etc to have to be flooded with FTE petitions. It would make the raiding part of the game more manageable with less GM oversight. It's not classic (nor is variance), but it would supplement the need for constant GM involvement.

Training, blatent kill stealing, ninja looting, stalling, etc etc are all other things. This is just a solution to one (though one of the most frequent raid problems)

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Next time I inspect you, you better not have anything in your equipment slots then, especially planar/raid gear. Of course people want to achieve some sort of reward for their time/effort.

You're not making any sense. You're the one who has to defend his "it's not about the loot" stance.

-Someone says "It's not about the loot"
-Bruman says "Yes it is"
-Yendor says "No, it's really not, it's about time invested"
-Bruman says "The only reason you invest time is still for the loot"
-Yendor says "Of course it's about the loot"

Bunny pancake? Why would I not have any planar gear? I never insinuated or implied there was anything wrong in playing for loot (although it's on the minor side of why I play, personally, but it's there).

I was calling bullshit (and rightly so) on the argument that people just want to kill the mob for competition. If that's the case, then any arbitrary mob could be raced for to get the same thing. First to kill Emperor Crush wins EQ! (Just kidding, BDA has it locked down, noone has any chance).

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How does the zonewide FTE shout idea keep getting swept under the rug? It's almost like people would rather have the confusion/drama/GM intervention...

D'oh sorry for the double-post - anyways, I have no idea. It's a decent idea, but is only treating a symptom, not the root of the problem. It'd still be an improvement over what we have now.

But the GMs seem unwilling to respond to anything regarding the current state of raiding, hence why the topic keeps coming up every two weeks.

[baub]

Originally Posted by Alkorin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stall tanking? My god, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. If you have a tank on a mob, and the tank's not dying, you're TANKING THE MOB.

Incredible...

Starting toward the end of 2010, if the mob's HP wasn't dropping, this was viewed as stalling. IB and DA each were forced to forfeit a couple Nagafen's for trying this.

Just figured I'd share, since new raiding guilds like yours don't seem to know about things like this and fighting Vox in her lair =)

[Fountree]

Yendor, your example sounds exactly what happened to us on Fay at the hands of your friends a few weeks back lol. Nothing was done...but alas we moved on.

[Fountree]

Lol I totally agree Alkorin. Some of these VD arguments are entertaining.