OCCUPY WALLSTREET!

[Hoggen]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More words historically given negative connotations with no real reason for them to be bad. Do you even know what communism means? Using this word only amplifies that you don't know what you're talking about and you're just regurgitating what you heard Rush say on the way to work this morning.

What word do you use to describe a pile of excrement, Sam? Do you call it pudding? Do you call it an oasis? The people of Occupy Wall Street want redistribution of wealth through government intervention. They are Anti-Capitalist. They want all people to be equal, and all who need to receive from those that have. What do you call people that want all these things? Capitalists? Libertarians? Pray tell your "non-negative" term that you would use for such a mentality!

Do you listen to Rush Limbaugh? How do you know what he says? How do you know I listen to him? You obviously don't know what time his show airs, as it hasn't been on yet today. You use a dismissive straw-man argument trying to label me as a parrot for Rush Limbaugh and you think my use of "communist" to label Facebolsheviks crapping on cop cars is a negative stereotype? What an ass you are.

[Sickle]

More like "Occupy jail cell for the night"

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Sickle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More like "Occupy jail cell for the night"

And then of course, given you've spent the night, you are entitled to a jail-served breakfast that the taxpayers have purchased for you.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Hoggen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The people of Occupy Wall Street want redistribution of wealth through government intervention. They are Anti-Capitalist.

didn't you just say earlier in this thread that the protesters didn't know what they wanted? well, which is it?

[Aadill]

Going to Occupy Raleigh tomorrow to take pictures/maybe talk to people. The main thing that I get out of the entire movement is that so much money is being spent on bullshit. Why not redistribute all the money raised to lobby special interests or to campaign for certain candidates back into the system for creating the jobs that are stymied by the very same group? Why waste millions of dollars to accomplish your own personal goals by hamstringing any others?

Something I find interesting is that NC has an allegedly shadowy and consequently interesting figure - Art Pope. He is the president of Variety Wholesalers, Inc. He runs businesses like Roses, Maxway, ValuMart, Super10, Super Dollar, and others ; all low-dollar budget stores. The food stock is way down in terms of quality and the clothing is the same. It gives people something to hold onto when they have next to nothing to live on. It's basically a step below Wal-Mart, and it gets the job done for those that are living on next to nothing.

He also controls the majority of the conservative advocacy groups, think tanks, and conservative-inclined academic institutes in the state. Grooming politicians for the future...

There was a post by Roses on the Occupy Raleigh page basically conjuring the idea of "YOU CAN DO IT!" to the majority of the people that are in the situation of NEEDING to rely on his "services" because of no alternatives.

I originally said allegedly shadowy, and here is why: Considering Art Pope and his organizations have spent millions of dollars on various forms of media propaganda, 100% of it going towards efforts to oust certain political candidates by completely unbalancing any monetary assets raised for a campaign through massive and convoluted corporate donations, I'd be kinda pissed.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011...influence.html
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...entPage=all%5C

As far as these articles go I don't know how much I'd particularly want to believe but I cannot fathom how a corporation whose president has lobbied for his own personal goals to make waves in the political landscape can somehow also support the people who would want to protest against him. The entire point of this movement, to me, is that money makes up entirely too large a portion of the decision making process.

Am I fully confident in this being the case? No. Am I fully confident in the type of media reporting this information to me? No. Especially after the yellow journalism seen just earlier this week by the piece of shit that tried to incite a riot and instead got pepper sprayed. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/...180750896.html

[azeth]

@ Aadill, when you attend the protest, please ask your peers the general question -

"Who is Art Pope?"

I'd sincerely like you to take a mental note regarding how many know the name, then post here with what you find.

[Hoggen]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

didn't you just say earlier in this thread that the protesters didn't know what they wanted? well, which is it?

I said earlier they have no specific plan. There is a difference between knowing what you want and having a plan to achieve it.

Example: I WANT MONEY

plan 1: steal money
plan 2: work
plan 3: yell "I WANT MONEY" and hope someone gives it to you

If you describe plan 3 as an actual plan, then yes, they have a plan. I call it "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." They are literally just "occupying" space and are wasting their, and a lot of other people's, time.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bro "acting like it" is asking serious questions of yourself and of like-minded others.

start. doing. it.

How do you pretend to know what I'm doing? I've already started feeling out for a presidential bid in 2020 (the first year I'm eligible) and finding supporters and donors at every turn.

What are YOU doing besides admittedly turning your nose up to the protestors as you walk by on a daily basis?

Originally Posted by Hoggen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

plan 2: work

What if there is no work? What if corporations have moved all middle class jobs overseas and then hire illegal immigrants to do the rest of the work leaving the lower/middle class with no jobs? They then tell them to get an education, but there are still no jobs and now they've amassed debt. Who benefits? The bankers! The upper class!

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

@ Aadill, when you attend the protest, please ask your peers the general question -

"Who is Art Pope?"

I'd sincerely like you to take a mental note regarding how many know the name, then post here with what you find.

I don't expect many will know, but at the same time I expect the general frustration with the very tactics that Art Pope is using will be expressed by the majority.

[iamoenaj]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you pretend to know what I'm doing? I've already started feeling out for a presidential bid in 2020 (the first year I'm eligible) and finding supporters and donors at every turn.

What are YOU doing besides admittedly turning your nose up to the protestors as you walk by on a daily basis?

What are your credentials as of now? Besides debating on an internet forum for a MMORPG, of course.