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Old 10-06-2011, 10:29 AM
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I am sure the PvE formula here is the same as P99, so no reason to change it.

VZ/TZ people just have no clue, as that server was retard bonkers in favor of melée.
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Old 10-06-2011, 10:55 AM
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P.S. - Lastly, keep the XP exactly like p99. Mid level pvp is FUN and it didn’t exist on VZTZ, but furthermore, bans will mean A LOT more when it takes months to get to 60, when it takes more months to get that uber item.

And last for real, don’t let these players troll you guys into making bad decisions, they are very good at what they do (see: ninja trolls), and they will try to get you to make certain changes under false pretenses or with ulterior motives in mind.
This is what is happening right now.
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:01 AM
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^ yep.
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:17 AM
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Buffed melees with resist gear already rape everything on this beta.
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:25 AM
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Buffed melees with resist gear already rape everything on this beta.
I haven't seen it, but believe it.
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:30 AM
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Most casters can do like 3-6 nukes (3 if you count Ice comets) at level 50 before they go oom and that's not even close to killing a buffed high level melee with resist gear :x. Casters only shine early on during leveling when no one is wielding proper gear.
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:31 AM
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Most casters can do like 3-6 nukes (3 if you count Ice comets) at level 50 before they go oom and that's not even close to killing a buffed high level melee with resist gear :x. Casters only shine early on during leveling when no one is wielding proper gear.
Basically this. If everyone would get off their sippycups and grow a god damn pair I'm sure it would be fine.
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:56 AM
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This is what is happening right now.
Yep, like Darwoth trying to get factions in several dungeons changed so he can PvP in them and have the dungeon inhabitants act as his personal city guards should anyone fight back.

Or claiming Imp Protectors are not supposed to see invisi, so he can ambush efreeti campers better lol.

Got to watch out for this stuff. The griefers just want to grief, they don't care of the server burns down around them.
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:24 PM
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Most casters can do like 3-6 nukes (3 if you count Ice comets) at level 50 before they go oom and that's not even close to killing a buffed high level melee with resist gear :x. Casters only shine early on during leveling when no one is wielding proper gear.
Most people also have like 1000-1500ish HP with that resist gear on, so you don't need to land that many spells. Getting 150 FR or CR takes some serious gear and an easily dispellable buff. Most people will be running around with 80-100ish tops. Spam flux staff until it lands and that debuff coupled with the innate -10 resist check on wizard nukes will make sure nukes consistently land, even if it's for half damage some of the time.

Other classes can do even better. A full ebolt is like 1100 damage for 300 mana and poison resist is hard to get. Pets do a lot of damage by themselves. Druids can cast their ice nuke which applies a -50 FR debuff and then follow up with starfire, each with a max damage of 600+ before the PvP penalty. Necro dots hurt like hell and are mostly unresistable. Pumice and cure potions can counter some of it, but you can also buy insta invis potions and other assorted crap. The only melee class that can cast see invis is shadowknight and there are practically no see invis items until Kunark.

Resist gear mostly just evens the playing field. You'll still get hit by nukes for 500+ fairly regularly unless there's a bard singing resist songs, and several casters have pets that basically melee like a ranger all by themselves. People only sit at like 120MR 100FR 100CR in high-end resist gear at this point in time. Most casters have ways to overcome that, and with a bit of luck or the right debuffs, you can take out most people in two or three casts.
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:27 PM
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