Poll item looting or no?

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nilbog voted for item loot...sooooooo....

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It's just my opinion. It looks like I'll have to make a new forum account when I want to give my opinion, or it's taken as definitive server rules. :P

I thought, given the option, people would want hardcore pvp instead of a normal pvp/coin server they've had the option of for years.

I see it as like playing football with two hand touch instead of tackle. For eqlive pvp I played on rallos zek, and from what I understand, only 1 version of vztz was item loot. That was the era I played there. I also had a lvl 25 on mortalquest and wasn't afraid of dying.

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The #1 most important thing is population, and itemloot ensures a significantly lower population than non-itemloot. It's not guaranteed that an itemloot server would have a population so low that the server isn't playable, but we also have to be realistic - more than 300-400ish players is highly unlikely, and if itemloot cuts that in half, we'd approach critical mass. Look how completely dead and pointless blue99 is in the morning when there's like 200 people online. Itemloot stacks the problems on top of each other - not only does it become almost prohibitively difficult to play melee and even more appealing to play necro/magician/druid (which is already like 50% of blue99's pop), it also ensures a lower population which is what harms melee players the most as they won't be able to level consistently. VZTZ was considered hugely popular and it had what, 100-200ish at its peak? That was with two-boxing. If we have 300+ without itemloot or 200ish with itemloot, then that's gonna be something like 100 or 50 during euro times. We do want a server that's popular enough that we can actually play the game outside a 4-hour US-centric peak timespan.

That is a lot of assumptions, and they are based from vztz. I played there, and would have stopped if it wasn't item loot. I quit before it converted to coin only, and it wasn't due to the server being hardcore.

What I have learned from eqemu from when I started developing p99 till now, is that people try to predict the future.. and they are certain of things in their own minds. You do not speak for everyone.. and the people who speak the loudest usually do not make up the majority. No offense intended.. but you can't predict the future. 90% of the 'popular vote' determined p99 would have 50 players max, and would not last a month. I did it anyways, despite the fallacious ms. cleos.

I've given my opinions.. which are just that, opinions. If I was playing on the server, I would like a challenge. Since there were pvp servers with different rulesets, I am not pressing my opinion into definitive rules for the server.

I am just /disappoint in the lack of manliness.

$manliness--;

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[Jessie]

Item loot up to level 30 or 40 would be cool imo

[greatdane]

yes, i just dont understand why people wouldnt want item loot.... for fuck sakes ur taking someones items. Why do people assume population will suck??? The whole EMU community knows this server will already be the end all be all of pvp servers. With that knowledge we already know the server is going to be overpopulated, itemloot or not.

The practical arguments against itemloot have been brought up again and again. If you don't understand them, that's probably your own problem. They are valid, and the real question is whether itemloot's intensifying effect on PvP is worth more than all the inherent problems that come with itemloot.

The population isn't guaranteed to suck with itemloot, but it's safe to say that it's guaranteed to be smaller than without itemloot. The majority are against itemloot, and it stands to reason that there are more who will not play on an itemloot server if they'er against itemloot than there are who will not play on a non-itemloot server if they are for itemloot. The feature has such an enormous influence on how the game is played that many just won't want to deal with it. Itemloot creates an insanely cutthroat environment where there's no room whatsoever for the casual or new player, and while the PvP elitists can argue until they're blue in the face that a PvP server shouldn't cater to "bluebie pussies", the inevitable fact is that those are the players who will make up the bulk of the population if they don't choose to stay away. The hardcore griefing-hungry PvPers who are blind to the consequences of itemloot are a minority.

It's rather naïve to claim that the server will be overpopulated. You don't know anything about Everquest if you seriously believe that.

You do not speak for everyone

No, but it is overwhelmingly obvious by now that anti-itemloot is the majority vote. I don't see how that counts for nothing. It should count for everything.

[Kraz]

Originally Posted by Tajin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

play better bro.... whats the point of pvp all together than ... casters will always be better than melee

LOL ?

[Kraz]

Nilbog thats goblin spelled backwards! Anyway Nilbog your right, risk is what its all about. there is no reason what was mentioned earlier would not work. Alter-gate loot from bags and only bags. so if you only want to carry one bag that your prerogative. So what I am saying is empty inventory slots are NOT lootable. So people can use there ultra rare utility items there. and I can promise you guys this, EQ vets will not carry one bag its just too damn annoying and there is no way any real men would put themselves through that. With that in mind its a great way to invoke more pvp, and no one will take anyone's gear off the char while still having incentive other then the best pvp ever! I'm not sure who said it before but caster and melee can only wear there class specific items duhhh I know. But whoever said people just wont carry gear? lol how do you think people get gear...sitting on the toilet? No in dungeons and raids and at camps. your going to get sweet gears/spells that are not useable by classes somewhat often if you pvp a lot. If you want to play like a little loot whore and every time you loot some PoS item you gate/run back to the bank good for you. I can tell you I sure as hell will not lol. its a perfect compromise for loot, blues, hard core, Fun, and population. I think this will actually help population because loot will go to someone who needs it more often, and also really keep pvp healthy.

[Kraz]

Another thought, maybe even just the 2 bottom Inventory slots are safe.... that makes more sense so people will have to choose... and choose wisely for Kraz will seek them out and HT them for their gear [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Spud]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The #1 most important thing is population, and itemloot ensures a significantly lower population than non-itemloot. It's not guaranteed that an itemloot server would have a population so low that the server isn't playable, but we also have to be realistic - more than 300-400ish players is highly unlikely, and if itemloot cuts that in half, we'd approach critical mass.

Your assuming item loot will scare away blue players. Could you imagine for a second that item loot might not scare people away? Might even possibly attract more players? they already have a geared out lvl 60 all nice and safe on blue99 why not take a risk on r99? I say people who are comming over from blue p1999 to red99 are looking for change. maybe to take more risk.

Originally Posted by Foxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that would be absolutely pointless lol..

ONO HE TOOK MY STACK OF BONE CHIPS

?????

so why not enable it then? whats the harm? Sure most of the time will get a stack a bone chips, or some Splitpaw Hide gloves however.... sometimes it will be:

Originally Posted by Rushmore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

omg he took my tanking bp. Or my dual wield weapon... Or the mage just looted something he cant equip and you get a chance to loot it

At least looting your kill will be a little more interesting instead of You have looted 0 Platinum from Soandso.

[Amuk]

I don't mind rollen a mage if it's item loot, that's what you played on vztz right - a magician is for item loot who woulda thunk it.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Amuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't mind rollen a mage if it's item loot, that's what you played on vztz right - a magician is for item loot who woulda thunk it.

Every post you make about item loot is sarcastic. So, my answers will continue to be the same. I hope there is an influx of pro-item loot supporters and you get to enjoy that mage. Beware of zonelines though..when pets don't cross you'll get raped. :P

I don't make decisions based on vztz, and in terms of p99 or r99, neither should you.

I played a warrior on RZ, btw.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every post you make about item loot is sarcastic. So, my answers will continue to be the same. I hope there is an influx of pro-item loot supporters and you get to enjoy that mage. Beware of zonelines though..when pets don't cross you'll get raped. :P

I don't make decisions based on vztz, and in terms of p99 or r99, neither should you.

I played a warrior on RZ, btw.