Little GM intervention as possible

[solid]

hi tit

[Envious]

Easiest thing to do, and the most fair, is to simply have community enforced rules.

If a guild becomes known for training, they will have to resort to raiding at off hours to keep from getting griefed. And that will likely not save them.

I think the people with the most foresight and understanding of what systemic problems VZ/TZ had have spoken.

Here is the thing, if P99's hardest, one of the longest standing, and quite possibly the best GM (Uthgaard) got burned out by PvE bullshit... what fucking chance do the GM's have for R99?

[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by Not_Kazowi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is how this server will last and be maximum fun. If it is a player runned ruleset then the bad will be punished and the respected will be reasoned with.

My experience from leading top guild on VZTZ for a couple years was that any time a GM got involved it usually led to more problems and grief than if it was handled by leadership among guilds. The more mature and reasonable people of the server will rise to the top naturally and take the reigns in an effort to make the server legit.

just my thoughts, anyone else chime in or dont

remember the first day big knuckle and rexx were reuinited under the heresy tag in crushbone and 9 triumpe tried to zerg us.

[Foxx]

ya, a drug addict who got kicked out of the air force is tuff to stop pals

[gloinz]

Originally Posted by Foxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ya, a drug addict who got kicked out of the air force is tuff to stop pals

no u r

[eastadam55]

from the champ himself

[Foxx]

european basketball players are far inferior to us americans.

smedy is mad lebron aint swede

[Envious]

Agree'ing with Rexx kills my soul.

But its double truth. Steet justice

*Insert Rexx holding shotgun*

[Buhbuh]

This thread is basically the point of view from former Heresy members. Street justice sounds great because it usually always worked out for that guild. Street justice doesn't always sort things out.

But I'll give you a for instance.

Guild A has just reached the N wall in PoFear. Guild B has gathered outside and wants control of the zone and to prevent Guild A from retrieving better gear. Needless to say, Guild B is far better geared than Guild A and wants to keep it that way. The intention is to engage. Instead, a member from Guild B zones in, trains half the zone to N wall, Guild A is unprepared ("they should have been prepared," terrible argument), Guild A wipes, Guild B takes the zone, /end.

That's cool? You're going to just say the moral is to anticipate? Let's not act like everyone in this thread just let sleeping dogs lie after situations like that occurred. You're delusional if you think that was even remotely true. Read a thread from back in the day on VZTZ.

Anytime someone got fucked in the game, they had a new complaint on the boards. Exploits/ bugs were only brought to light after it directly effected another player (who knew about it) in a bad way. It was pathetic. And you all have that same mind set regarding R99.

Street justice through and through is bullshit. I'm all for as little GM intervention as possible, but we all know the people posting in this thread have more time (or will make more time) than most other people for R99. And most of you are previously from Heresy. Street justice will almost always fall in your favor.

[Silikten]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread is basically the point of view from former Heresy members. Street justice sounds great because it usually always worked out for that guild. Street justice doesn't always sort things out.

But I'll give you a for instance.

Guild A has just reached the N wall in PoFear. Guild B has gathered outside and wants control of the zone and to prevent Guild A from retrieving better gear. Needless to say, Guild B is far better geared than Guild A and wants to keep it that way. The intention is to engage. Instead, a member from Guild B zones in, trains half the zone to N wall, Guild A is unprepared ("they should have been prepared," terrible argument), Guild A wipes, Guild B takes the zone, /end.

That's cool? You're going to just say the moral is to anticipate? Let's not act like everyone in this thread just let sleeping dogs lie after situations like that occurred. You're delusional if you think that was even remotely true. Read a thread from back in the day on VZTZ.

Anytime someone got fucked in the game, they had a new complaint on the boards. Exploits/ bugs were only brought to light after it directly effected another player (who knew about it) in a bad way. It was pathetic. And you all have that same mind set regarding R99.

Street justice through and through is bullshit. I'm all for as little GM intervention as possible, but we all know the people posting in this thread have more time (or will make more time) than most other people for R99. And most of you are previously from Heresy. Street justice will almost always fall in your favor.

I was previously from GSG. Where about 5 of us would kill about 10-20 of enemies. Just to state that I am not exactly "Heresy" although I was in the guild and it was a great guild!

The moral of your story, for me anyways, would be Guild A should have zoned out and fought Guild B or held the zone in. I have held a zone in for about 2 hours once and it was epic. I have also been the one to zone out and try to kill the guild outside. That was also epic.

There were so many good fights with the euros and the zerg guilds which many can attest to. What I don't think is cool is the jerk who trained. Training only begets training. When it comes to gaming its treat others how you want to be treated, period. That's how I feel--for the most part.

Knuckle and I used to be mortal enemies but as times went on we simply began to just realize we both played somewhat honorably and left it at that. Just a fun fact for the public!

p.s. BuhBuh i know you are exactly the type to train if trained and allow LnS if you were allowed LnS. Which is exactly how it should be and I am sure you would agree to that. But basically, training is for revenge, stopping a guild, or because you have no pvp talent.