Poll: Should the Management have been harsher with the 365 cheaters?

[inyane]

Yeah, the whole thing is bullshit. Most of the accounts suspended were the port whores, the tracking whores, etc. Oh no, my lvl 29 druid tracking whore has lost experience and the 100pp i had on him.

It's awesome how the devs like to keep everything so "secret" concerning punishments on the server.

All cheating accounts should be banned.
All accounts logged on from a known cheaters IP should be banned.
All cheaters IP exemptions should be permanently removed.

If they want to start a brand new lvl 1 character after that, let them.

Frankly, I doubt we would miss any of them. Might even open some more camps and/or raid mobs for those of us who don't cheat.

The devs have stated more than once that they don't care how many people play on the server, population numbers mean nothing to them, and they
would be doing all this even if nobody played here. This whole cheating scandal has proved that to be a lie.

[Bruman]

At the end of the day, this is simple. They said third-party programs were an insta-ban.

They find a good way to detect third-party programs, and find lots of accounts (including many high-end raiders, some with one-of-a-kind loot), and change their mind on the insta-ban.

Instead, these people will be right back to where they were in a few weeks.

Of course at this point people are going to break out the tinfoil hat conspiracies. They've dished out bans before, why the change in heart? Either way, people of course are going to jump to the obvious conclusion that some of the members who'd be banned (instead of a weak suspension, some deleveling, and worthless pp removed) are in "important" guilds, and don't want their raid loot deleted.

But hey, it's their sandbox. We don't have to be here. It's not the decision I would have made, but it's not my sandbox. It does make me disappointed though, that with all the rough talk on cheating, to see them cave so easily.

[Mcbard]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course at this point people are going to break out the tinfoil hat conspiracies. They've dished out bans before, why the change in heart? Either way, people of course are going to jump to the obvious conclusion that some of the members who'd be banned (instead of a weak suspension, some deleveling, and worthless pp removed) are in "important" guilds, and don't want their raid loot deleted.

Funny, your obvious conclusion is far different than mine. Perhaps it's not so obvious after all!

Bush knocked down the towaz.

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by Mcbard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny, your obvious conclusion is far different than mine. Perhaps it's not so obvious after all!

Bush knocked down the towaz.

I didn't say "all people". But it's obvious that many people feel that way. My guess is it's a combination of things - including that.

[RandySlopeJr]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the end of the day, this is simple. They said third-party programs were an insta-ban.

They find a good way to detect third-party programs, and find lots of accounts (including many high-end raiders, some with one-of-a-kind loot), and change their mind on the insta-ban.

Instead, these people will be right back to where they were in a few weeks.

Of course at this point people are going to break out the tinfoil hat conspiracies. They've dished out bans before, why the change in heart? Either way, people of course are going to jump to the obvious conclusion that some of the members who'd be banned (instead of a weak suspension, some deleveling, and worthless pp removed) are in "important" guilds, and don't want their raid loot deleted.

But hey, it's their sandbox. We don't have to be here. It's not the decision I would have made, but it's not my sandbox. It does make me disappointed though, that with all the rough talk on cheating, to see them cave so easily.

I still want to know why 2 boxing was a more serious crime then hacking and exploiting the server? Most the players that got caught 2 boxing were perma banned, well unless they were brown nosing Gms.

[Spoodowg2000bc]

Originally Posted by RandySlopeJr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still want to know why 2 boxing was a more serious crime then hacking and exploiting the server? Most the players that got caught 2 boxing were perma banned, well unless they were brown nosing Gms.

+1

[superapan]

The real punishment is on the community as a whole. This McCarthyism has a good chance of permanently ruining this place.

In the case of P1999, using MQ meant no risk of punishment, and thus there was no threat to deter people from cheating. This is very basic in law theory (the indirect deterrence). Like if there was no risk of punishment involved in speeding, you'd do it all the time. This is no longer the case, and your average Joe will keep to the speed limits.

Appreciate the fact that the server will now be completely legit, which EQ Live never ever was. And then you move on.

[RandySlopeJr]

Originally Posted by superapan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The real punishment is on the community as a whole. This McCarthyism has a good chance of permanently ruining this place.

In the case of P1999, using MQ meant no risk of punishment, and thus there was no threat to deter people from cheating. This is very basic in law theory (the indirect deterrence). Like if there was no risk of punishment involved in speeding, you'd do it all the time. This is no longer the case, and your average Joe will keep to the speed limits.

Appreciate the fact that the server will now be completely legit, which EQ Live never ever was. And then you move on.

you kidding me????Live was ten times more legit then this server is. Did you have GMs pulling this crap in live? NO

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by superapan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The real punishment is on the community as a whole.

This is true.

Originally Posted by superapan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This McCarthyism has a good chance of permanently ruining this place.

Except that the cheating was confirmed, and a more substantive assertion would be that allowing the cheaters to return relatively unscathed would be more harmful than anything else.

It's wrong to redirect fault in this to the community. The focus needs to stay on the cheaters, where it belongs.

Originally Posted by superapan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the case of P1999, using MQ meant no risk of punishment, and thus there was no threat to deter people from cheating.

Don't even know where this came from, bro, because you're dead wrong. If in no risk of punishment you meant they couldn't be caught, well...wrong on both counts.

Except in the case of raid guilds, maybe. But I'm not delving into server politics on that one, except to mention that the devs were obviously as shocked and overwhelmed as the rest of us were in regards to the scope of the cheating. I'd also expect some sort of response to the massive backlash their decision on "punishment" has created.

[druziil]

Originally Posted by superapan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The real punishment is on the community as a whole. This McCarthyism has a good chance of permanently ruining this place.

In the case of P1999, using MQ meant no risk of punishment, and thus there was no threat to deter people from cheating. This is very basic in law theory (the indirect deterrence). Like if there was no risk of punishment involved in speeding, you'd do it all the time. This is no longer the case, and your average Joe will keep to the speed limits.

Appreciate the fact that the server will now be completely legit, which EQ Live never ever was. And then you move on.

If you need a deterant to keep you from doing wrong, then you are a piece of shit. Everyone here knows what is right and wrong and also knows there are consequences. I speed and roll through stop signs all the time, and if i ever got pulled over i would accept the fines/points. These people were well informed of the rules and knew they were doing wrong. They also knew the punishment was a ban. If anything this situation will be less of a deterant, because it shows the impotence of the staff to back up their words with action.

Also I don't apriciate the fact that the server will be legit because that fact is wrong. These hackers benefited by using those hacks more then they were hurt from the punishment so the net result is still in their favor. Unless that changes then this server can never be legit.