Punish Harder. Delete items.

[superapan]

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

McCarthyism

This was top dollar read. Who are the psychopaths again?

[Runningfish]

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

+1.

My guess is a lot of the cheaters are sociopaths/psychopaths or anti-socials. If you research these terms on google you will see what they actually mean. No, psychopath is not a crazy genocidal murderer. Neither is an anti-social a shy person. Rather, these people are smooth criminals that have no shame or guilt when they cheat or lie or steal. The true meaning of anti-social is that of a person whom breaks the social rules and trust without remorse. A pscyhopath can be a serial killer just as much as he can be a kingpin or a car salesman.

Learn more here:
http://www.hare.org/links/saturday.html

It will open your eyes to more than you might have bargained for.

Here are my two favorite sections in the link:

So the guy who just wanted Ultravision/EB is now a psychopath/sociopath or anti-social. Yes that makes perfect sense!

Another misconception that you all seem to have is that all of these cheaters were equipped with the same tools. Most public releases of MQ for P99 did not include tracking/warping/showing mobs on map/the other actually powerful stuff. Most of them just had the things that were less likely to get you caught. The actual number of the people that had warping/tracking ect is probably much smaller than the 365 who were banned.

A lot of these people were probably working class dudes like you or I. Possibly parents without much time for the game who wanted to make it more convenient. I can understand being mad but calling them ALL psychopaths, sociopaths, or antisocial freaks is a bit dramatic. I'm sure we have some of those people on both sides of this argument.

[vinx]

Originally Posted by superapan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was top dollar read. Who are the psychopaths again?

FEAVERHEADS!
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Originally Posted by Runningfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can understand being mad but calling them ALL psychopaths, sociopaths, or antisocial freaks is a bit dramatic. I'm sure we have some of those people on both sides of this argument.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by Runningfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the guy who just wanted Ultravision/EB is now a psychopath/sociopath or anti-social. Yes that makes perfect sense!

Another misconception that you all seem to have is that all of these cheaters were equipped with the same tools. Most public releases of MQ for P99 did not include tracking/warping/showing mobs on map/the other actually powerful stuff. Most of them just had the things that were less likely to get you caught. The actual number of the people that had warping/tracking ect is probably much smaller than the 365 who were banned.

A lot of these people were probably working class dudes like you or I. Possibly parents without much time for the game who wanted to make it more convenient. I can understand being mad but calling them ALL psychopaths, sociopaths, or antisocial freaks is a bit dramatic. I'm sure we have some of those people on both sides of this argument.

Some of the comments about the cheaters is excessive but I really don't have sympathy for them.

I'm a working class guy with kids and when I wanted an EB item I camped Hadden. Took me about 12 kills to get it and it was pretty disruptive to my sleep schedule, which is already impaired by young children. I'm not complaining about the time I put in cause it was my decision but you got people getting a pretty unfair advantage that is easily translatable into 3.5k plat or several hours just for that one particular hack.

I really started on this server after Kunark launched but still had some hope to make the cash to buy a manastone in future. Just over the course of about the last month the price on it has risen by about 50k and I can't help but wonder if the price has been driven up by the quick cash made/saved by a few people benefiting from external means.

[Harrison]

What's more disgusting than the shitbags getting away with this, is dickless fucks defending them.

[Runningfish]

IMO the price of manastones is being driven up mostly because of the servers age and the people constantly reselling them.. They will only get more expensive as more plat is introduced to the server it's just the way it goes. I don't know when you started on Live but at least on my server it was exactly the same. If you came after kunark you were going to have to put in an outrageous amount of work to get a manastone.

Harrison, I'm not defending the actions of hackers they did what they did and they got punished that's what matters. However someone needs to separate the facts from the bullshit. It seemed to me that most of the people posting in outrage about this didn't really have the full picture. I thought I'd be able to help with that. I have absolutely no sympathy for em, they knew what they were doing could get them banned and they got off easy. It takes a lot less balls to jump on the bandwagon.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Runningfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IMO the price of manastones is being driven up mostly because of the servers age and the people constantly reselling them.. They will only get more expensive as more plat is introduced to the server it's just the way it goes. I don't know when you started on Live but at least on my server it was exactly the same. If you came after kunark you were going to have to put in an outrageous amount of work to get a manastone.

Harrison, I'm not defending the actions of hackers they did what they did and they got punished that's what matters. However someone needs to separate the facts from the bullshit. It seemed to me that most of the people posting in outrage about this didn't really have the full picture. I thought I'd be able to help with that. I have absolutely no sympathy for em, they knew what they were doing could get them banned and they got off easy. It takes a lot less balls to jump on the bandwagon.

what bandwagon? delete their accounts permanently. We don't need more Rarens...

err, but also throw in some exp bonus for us folk who don't hax0r. i'm still a level away from 60

EDIT: just been informed that happened over the weekend. FML

[Vondra]

The funny thing is of the 365 suspended, at least 30 of them will probably end up getting banned (Probably permanently this time) within their first few weeks back when they attempt to use cheats to recover levels/money lost.

[Convict]

There's a lot of stupid arguing going on in this thread.

It boils down to this folks, It doesn't matter what advantage it gave them, even the slightest of advantages. The devs provide a wonderful free service for all of us. All they ask is return is not to break some very simple easy rules to follow, and don't cheat.

Even still these clowns decided to spit in their faces by cheating anyways. For that they deserve a permanent banhammer rammed up their asses. They were let off too easy.

That being said, I respect Rogean's decision regardless.

[visage]

Let's be real here. Why the hell would we want out devs spending countless hours going through each individual account removing items etc. You know how much time that would take. In reality what they did was good. Due to the amount of account's it would've detrimentally hurt the server for some considering how many accounts. Now I'm all for harsh punishment. In fact I prefer they all get banned forever. Or at least suspended until velious comes out with the account deleted. Regardless the less time staff has to work to ensure people like this don't break the rules , I am all for. It's pathetic people have to waste their time babysitting retards that break the rules. It's not fair and you spit in the face of the staff that gave you this priv. You literally cost them time to fish you out. I don't care if they wasted 30 seconds clicking a big red ban button. WTF have you done for them??? You donated.... Clearly a donation..... meaning there shouldn't be strings attached. You did it out of the goodness of your own heart.... Yet you cheat break simple rules put in place and spit in the devs faces? As well as the people that play honestly.... It's just jacked. Yeah it may be just a game , but like I said you are priviledged having been able to play it. In my opinion the cheaters should just be adults and walk away from the game , knowing they are cheats. Though this won't happen none of them have a sense of integrity or care for others , unless they benefit like cheating....