Discussion: Zone Plugging

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is where I have a "fuck 'em" attitude.

Now, let's remember why EQ sucked ass after Velious.

First, let me preface my explanation by first stating that zone plugging was a pretty novel thing to do in EQ during the Velious era (essentially no one devised doing it in PvP. It was mostly a way to get to PoM.)

With that in mind, Luclin came out and had safe zones. BUT, not only did it have safe zones, it had instant click exodus's and portals for Druids and Wizards!

Then came PoP with more safe zones, more AA's, more insane gear without proper scaling to help end the lives of people in much the same quick manner as previously seen in Velious and before then. That was Sony's fault. Moving on...

LDoN-- yay! Instances! (By this point plugging was rampant.)

Then later some bullshit gating AA for all classes? I hardly remember.

Case in point: EQ sucked because there became too many ways for people to A) escape PvP, and B) the gear scaled with PvP mechanics over time made a PvP battle between 2 people sometimes last 3 hours (some of them were epic, don't get me wrong).

So if we're making a list of things that were wrong with EQ, the terrible things that prevented real, honest PvP, it would start as follows:

1. Safe zones
2. Alternate Advancement (some were actually good ideas, ironically enough).
3. Instances
4. Hackers
5. Zone pluggers
6. Too much gear with too many stats
7. More levels
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8. Sony
9. My mom yelling at me to take out the garbage
10. Guilds ran by people who didn't want to stir anyone up
11. Iloveyou
12. That Constellations chick in the RL pic forum is really quite gorgeous and stunning, amirite or wut?
13. I've got a thing for those deep, dark brown peepers. I MELT, BREW.

But seriously, 1-7. Dying isn't a big deal. I suicide by going Rambo on full groups all the time, pals. I zone, sure. I don't plug. It isn't really a "tactic."

The reality is that you've lost at the point if plugging. You're just denying anyone else the pleasure of getting the kill of you out of spite and pride. I'm surprised no one else has said that. Don't call plugging something it isn't, something tactical or noble or even remotely natural to the game.

It is an exploit. What's that quote?

"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right." -- Thomas Paine, y'all.

Its noble to deny some twink lamer who does it themselves their easy kill after they ambush you in a tight spot because there is no were else to be.

Heck I will do it all day long to piss off the noob PKs in Unrest =)

Its a wash though because when you have those bastards by the balls they always zone dance, plug themselves...

It has no place in guild pvp though. Makes for lame fights. If it went away I wouldn't mind that much.

[Smedy]

Since there won't be any big consequences from dieing in pvp i would like a system for when people plug while zoning. It's gonna be 5% that actually crash while zonging and are victims of this, however the other 95% gonna get what they deserve, pluggin scum!

Makes pvp more fun when you know, you're never safe, not even by zone lines.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by RealSmedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Makes pvp more fun when you know, you're never safe, not even by zone lines.

Exactly.

[dusk883]

Originally Posted by RealSmedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since there won't be any big consequences from dieing in pvp i would like a system for when people plug while zoning. It's gonna be 5% that actually crash while zonging and are victims of this, however the other 95% gonna get what they deserve, pluggin scum!

Makes pvp more fun when you know, you're never safe, not even by zone lines.

This is a great point IMO... if there's exp loss, I bet the number of potential zone plugs goes thru the roof if there's no exp loss for doing so. I also believe there will be tons of plugging without zoning if it means you become an NPC when LD and unlootable, etc.

[Halister]

I'm pretty much posting the same thing on all these different issues. I don't think they are problems big enough that they would need have development time put in. Nothing much in eq pvp really did aggrevate me. To me it really isn't a problem and therefore i don't care much if it's fixed or not.

I dont see either of the alternatives as more or less hardcore, or whatever it is that we are discussing. I'll play the game and be just as happy wether plugging is in or not. I kind of feel if these are the issues being worked on we should already be playing, you know?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Halister [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm pretty much posting the same thing on all these different issues. I don't think they are problems big enough that they would need have development time put in. Nothing much in eq pvp really did aggrevate me. To me it really isn't a problem and therefore i don't care much if it's fixed or not.

I dont see either of the alternatives as more or less hardcore, or whatever it is that we are discussing. I'll play the game and be just as happy wether plugging is in or not. I kind of feel if these are the issues being worked on we should already be playing, you know?

Do you want a server with a healthy population or not? I would think that would be the primary goal vs. "omg start it up already!!1!" Let them take the time to do it right so you guys have a more fun experience.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Halister [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm pretty much posting the same thing on all these different issues. I don't think they are problems big enough that they would need have development time put in. Nothing much in eq pvp really did aggrevate me. To me it really isn't a problem and therefore i don't care much if it's fixed or not.

I dont see either of the alternatives as more or less hardcore, or whatever it is that we are discussing. I'll play the game and be just as happy wether plugging is in or not. I kind of feel if these are the issues being worked on we should already be playing, you know?

Lol, yeah, now I really know you aren't worth arguing with.

Considering the point you are attempting to make here is....

"Well, if they are spending time on fixing things they might as well just stop and turn the server on!"

You have no idea where in the development stage of the server they are at. They have a multi-person team and this is just one of many things they are likely working on. The actual coding for most of these stickied issues takes very little time to implement. I'd much rather spend the next 2 months having them get community feedback on these issues and have them sorted out prior to release than have a half-assed server put up right now. Believe me, there have been plenty of those floating around already.

[dusk883]

IMO lets play on the half assed server right now today... and know that it'll be rebooted, changed, wiped, whatever else. Wouldn't be a better "launch" day if we call it Beta now in whatever state it is in now? Just being able to play P99 style pvp at all in any form without the douchebaggery of other servers who have tried...

[Halister]

It incredible how one tracked your minds are. Did i say i wanted to play on a crashing piece of shit server? No, I didn't. Did i say RELEASE NOW!!11? No, I didn't. Did i claim to know what stage of development they are in? No, I didn't claim that either.

To make it easier to understand here's the important part; most of these issues have never bothered me and I'm surprised so many of you see them as problems. Why would I prefer to wait for something being implemented that I don't think is a problem?

It's pretty apparant that the people venting here are mostly for it. If it makes for a stronger community or whatever it is you are saying it will achieve then go ahead. To me it's a non issue. Is this so hard to understand?

[Naikon]

Yes to removing zone plugging

Its not important to me either way and I would only say its not worth putting in a significant amount of man hours. Players will adjust their play style to the rules one way or another.