Game Mechanics: Staff of Temperate Flux and Rod of Insidious Glamour Should not be useable on move

[WarpathEQ]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

save your personal attacks and go relax. this discussion is about maintaining the integrity of the classic experience. Not some vendetta related to guild politics.

Your continued disingenuous interactions with the server both in this thread and other formats suggest otherwise.

[Wayward]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

save your personal attacks and go relax. this discussion is about maintaining the integrity of the classic experience. Not some vendetta related to guild politics.

No, your impetus for starting this discussion is that another guild, that is not yours, is using the Flux strategy to reliably win Vulaks (and other targets).

Absolutely far-fetched to think that you randomly saw the original link you posted and thought, "Oh, that's weird - let me bring this up for consideration to make the server more classic."

And much more realistically you saw the post you linked and thought, "HA! A way that I can help to stop <Competition> from using flux staff to win targets from <My Guild>"

How do I know? Because despite everyone in this post giving either anecdotal proof, or showing logs (something you requested) of the mechanics of this staff as it was in 2001, or linking to archived forum posts showing that it was INSTANT and not 0.1 cast time - you refuse to accept the facts.

Pathetic.

[Wayward]

[Mon Aug 06 00:44:05 2001] Awsten_Tx performs mental gymnastics. It is pathetic.

[Wayward]

You say people didn't kite like that, but they most certainly did. Many people here have said that's how they did it on their wizards, by spamming the flux staff.

PS: I have no dog in the fight, I don't raid and don't plan on it. I also didn't play a wizard back then, but nonetheless it's pretty telling of your personality that you refuse to admit you were mistaken in the face of many claims to the contrary.

[Awsten_Tx]

I dunno. I have found nothing but evidence that supports the patch notes.

If yall want to make personal attacks, I guess that just helps the cause?

I actually laughed a bit when I realized the 1 log excerpt actually was reflecting 2 wizards using their flux staff.

From what I've gathered the max Cast per second seems to be 3 or less.

[WarpathEQ]

Cherry picking evidence of someone casting something at the speed you've decided is the appropriate speed isn't valid evidence.

If there was really a delay in the item and someone was spamming it as fast as possible you would also see evidence of the key strokes returning errors, no different than if you try and spam any item that has a cast time. Anyone can cast anything slower than the allowed speed as in 99.99% of cases the use of the item doesn't improve just because you click it faster.

There has been plenty of evidence both in quotes and logs that has been posted here that was in era and supports the mechanics working identical to how they currently do on P99.

#ThreadClosed

[Awsten_Tx]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cherry picking evidence of someone casting something at the speed you've decided is the appropriate speed isn't valid evidence.

If there was really a delay in the item and someone was spamming it as fast as possible you would also see evidence of the key strokes returning errors, no different than if you try and spam any item that has a cast time. Anyone can cast anything slower than the allowed speed as in 99.99% of cases the use of the item doesn't improve just because you click it faster.

There has been plenty of evidence both in quotes and logs that has been posted here that was in era and supports the mechanics working identical to how they currently do on P99.

#ThreadClosed

odd statement from someone without a dog in the hunt?

Anyways find me evidence im wrong and Ill concede it, otherwise this continues to be on a path to get corrected.

Cheers!

edit* its worth mentioning since you brought it up. "You can't use that command right now..." is a local text notification, it does not go out to other people.

[WarpathEQ]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

odd statement from someone without a dog in the hunt?

Anyways find me evidence im wrong and Ill concede it, otherwise this continues to be on a path to get corrected.

Cheers!

edit* its worth mentioning since you brought it up. "You can't use that command right now..." is a local text notification, it does not go out to other people.

The evidence is all posted above. In the same files you unsuccessfully tried to cherry pick from.

It does all make sense now that you're confirmed Gluwen, typical behavior. Sorry you don't have because of flux staff mechanics.

Its a good thing we have log files directly from the wizard spamming the flux staffs showing the uncapped speed and 0 input errors. Nice try though.

[Awsten_Tx]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The evidence is all posted above. In the same files you unsuccessfully tried to cherry pick from.

It does all make sense now that you're confirmed Gluwen, typical behavior. Sorry you don't have because of flux staff mechanics.

Its a good thing we have log files directly from the wizard spamming the flux staffs showing the uncapped speed and 0 input errors. Nice try though.

the log files are from a druid grouped with the wizard... Anything else i can clarify for you?

Also my forum name literally matching my discord name, I dont think it was ever any secret who I was (am?). I dunno /shrug.

[feniin]

https://web.archive.org/web/20011117.../wizstrat.html


In the flux staff link, it has the following:

Using the Staff

The Staff of Temperate Flux can be used while moving, and has no casting time to use, it is instant. Further, it has a very quick reset time, allowing you to run around clicking this and affecting your target. This helps to negate the problem with resistances, because if they resist it not only cost you no mana, but very little time either. It also has a slight aggro effect, which makes the monsters notice and be upset at you. Further, it has exactly the same range as your normal DD spells (shorter than bolt).

Knowing all this, you can determine a few little uses for the staff that it wasn't built for. Sorry, but to be able to compete and excel as a Wizard, you have to be creative and work every angle. Incidentally, this staff used to have an unintended side effect where it would remove fire damage shields when clicked on. Verant removed that, however, and it does not act this way any more.

One primary use is to check your range on a creature. The range of the staff is exactly the same as your blasts, which means it will tell you exactly when a monster is in or out of range. This is a good way check how far you are from a monster you are kiting, and it also lets you know if that monster is close enough to shoot or not when its running up. This use in kiting has another effect, it constantly aggros the monster to keep it on your tail, and it also makes it fairly clear you aren't running from the monster nor unaware of it. That red squiggly glow is a good sign you are fighting the monster and well aware of its existence.

Speaking of Aggro, the staff has a low aggro effect that builds as you use it over and over. Since this is so fast, you can actually get monsters mad at you (and not, for example, the enchanter trying to mes or the cleric who is trying to heal) by using the staff and no mana. It also works to pull with, a fairly simple system. When you see the monster, you click on the staff, and if its in range, the monster will run at you without using any mana up.

There are a few other little uses of the staff, if you experiment with it enough you can learn how it works. Basically its a toy that doesn't do anything it was supposed to but being the Master Seeker of Knowledge you can get better use out of.

https://www.graffes.com/forums/showt...ll=1#post36507

Originally Posted by March 30th, 2001

Try expanding your role as a wizard sometime. Need to burn something fast, clicking the staff to remove spell delay drastically increases how quickly you can chain nuke (although jboots will do the same thing). Yes, normally chain nuking is bad, but when trying to hit a gating or chealing mob with draught of jiva it is invaluable. Need to pull with a low aggro, instant casting spell that doesn't force you to stop running - click your staff.

https://www.graffes.com/forums/showt...ll=1#post35112

Originally Posted by April 23, 2001

Maybe an Exploit : there is a way to immeidately recover after casting a spell. In other words, 0 sec recovery.
After casting a spell, use any right clickable item to eliminate delay. I will nuke, right click (hotkeyed) jboots or staff of flux and BANG My spells repop right away and I chain cast. Very nice exploit against a biased system.
NOTE: there is a problem with harvest repopping when it isn't ready if harvest is placed in the First Spell Gem slot.
-Aleolin Darkmoon
41st Wizard of Prexus

https://www.graffes.com/forums/showt...l=1#post132070

Originally Posted by July 28, 2001

I try testing MR with my Temp flux staff to see if it's low, since it's insta and free. Usually 20-50 clicks before it gets through. Main points: