I made a P99 DPS calculator for melee classes based on EQEMU code

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Scripts aren't allowed. But I'll humor you.

AoW with 512 AC vs. A 60 War with 255 STR, 100% Haste, 140 ATK (Avatar + CoTP) who is berserking:

68 DPS no scimitar weaving.
82 DPS with scimitar weaving.

So you could theoretically get a 21% DPS boost

That's the same DPS % I already said before, yeah. The specific total DPS is ultimately irrelevant since it fluctuates on a per-MOB basis, while the % gained from weapon swapping shouldn't really fluctuate. You shouldn't have 100% haste though. You want 99% haste with Visions of Grandeur.

Also, you don't need to use a script that creates a macro or "interacts with the client", which is the thing that's banned (GINA should be banned too according to this, but anyway). You just use something that makes it so when you click your mouse, it always clicks the part of the screen you want. That isn't inputting multiple actions with one user action, nor interacting with the game client (it's only interacting with your physical device of clicking on your computer screen), nor allowing the game to be played AFK, therefore not actually against the rules (and also how would that even be detected?).

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is clicking 6 times every two 2 seconds unless they are a Swiftie refreshing TicketMaster.

People click more than 6 times every 2 seconds in many competitive games, and this is quite easy if no mouse precision is required. And in the case of clicking normally, you only need to do it over the course of 3-4 seconds when having less haste.

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lmao this guy is back with his weaving warrior theoryshitcraft

lmao this guy is banned and still shitposting.

There's no "theorycraft", this happened in classic EQ and it's something everyone should be doing if they want to get maximum DPS when possible, being especially viable when not having max haste, something that happens all time when soloing or for ANY Warrior or Ranger while leveling, before they reach the higher haste caps after level 50.

With max haste it's still realistic to swap every other main attack round, if someone wants to put the effort in, which still results in 10% more DPS.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's no "theorycraft", this happened in classic EQ and it's something everyone should be doing if they want to get maximum DPS when possible, being especially viable when not having max haste, something that happens all time when soloing or for ANY Warrior or Ranger while leveling, before they reach the higher haste caps after level 50.

With max haste it's still realistic to swap every other main attack round, if someone wants to put the effort in, which still results in 10% more DPS.

It is entirely theorycraft. You have no parses to show for the effort and refuse to create them since “I’m retired”. It would be pretty easy to compare gear and buffs and even run a few minute parse, or see who gets the most xp kills.

Even if you could pull off this hat trick a few times nobody is going to do it for 10 cycles for vindi (60 clicks) or 60 cycles (360 clicks) for a 6 minute fight. To think they are going to grind like this is ludicrous…even asking people to stun/bash casters is a tall order.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just use something that makes it so when you click your mouse, it always clicks the part of the screen you want. That isn't inputting multiple actions with one user action, nor interacting with the game client (it's only interacting with your physical device of clicking on your computer screen), nor allowing the game to be played AFK, therefore not actually against the rules (and also how would that even be detected?).

As far as I know that kind of script isn't allowed on P99. Theoretically you could use a script like that and get away with it. I won't claim it's impossible.

However, someone who has spent a bunch of time and DKP to get a Palladius Axe is not going to risk getting banned for +14 DPS on a raid target.

If you need a script to do this kind of offhand swapping reliably, nobody is going to do it on P99. The risk of getting banned is not worth the reward.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is entirely theorycraft.

No it isn't. You obviously haven't even tried.

It's only a matter of how consistent someone is able to be depending on the weapon delay they are working with, and how much effort they want to put in. Back in 1999 it was common for a melee character to have zero haste, and that's still the case for a new server or a corpse run. When you have 4+ seconds to spare between swings of your Two-hander, you should absolutely be offhand weapon swapping if you care about increasing your DPS. Same for when you have 3 seconds to spare (the typical attack speed even while hasted, for characters at the levels where they have lower amounts of haste); it can be performed consistently with that much of a window.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if you could pull off this hat trick a few times nobody is going to do it for 10 cycles for vindi (60 clicks) or 60 cycles (360 clicks) for a 6 minute fight.

If "nobody" is going to do it, even just 1 time to hit a record parse or for a solo artist challenge, or to save the party/themselves from death in a close fight, then they are bad players.

This game is not competitive, and the mechanics involved in weapon swapping are not exactly fun, so it's understandable why most EQ players are bad/lazy. But people DO care about leveling faster, so everyone should be aware of the mechanic and use it if they care to put the effort in. It's similar to only moving/casting inbetween meditate ticks as a caster. Most people are too lazy to even do that, but I did it a lot and got more performance out of my characters. It's satisfying in the cases where it makes a difference in being able to hold down multiple spawns on recharge or not.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as I know that kind of script isn't allowed on P99. Theoretically you could use a script like that and get away with it. I won't claim it's impossible.

Are mouses with extra buttons allowed? Are programs that let you click the screen with your eyes allowed?

That hardware is obviously not banned, despite it giving players an advantage over people who don't have the same hardware.

It's funny how a literal disabled person with no hands could play Warrior and Ranger better than the way most p99 players do it right now.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are mouses with extra buttons allowed? Are programs that let you click the screen with your eyes allowed?

That hardware is obviously not banned, despite it giving players an advantage over people who don't have the same hardware.

It's funny how a literal disabled person with no hands could play Warrior and Ranger better than the way most p99 players do it right now.

If you need scripts and/or hardware to do specific gameplay, nobody on P99 is going to do it. Risking getting banned is not worth a few DPS. I am not sure how much clearer I can be. You can choose to believe people on P99 use all kinds of hardware and scripts, but that is simply not reality.

[Zuranthium]

Nobody can get banned for the hardware they are using, LOL. How would p99 even go about trying to stop people from using gaming mouses and eyetracking software? They could force higher ping and longer zoning times if they wanted, removing the advantage people have from modern internet and computers compared to what existed in 1999, but I don't see any legal way they can stop someone from using better mouses and mouse-alternative devices.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody can get banned for the hardware they are using, LOL. How would p99 even go about trying to stop people from using gaming mouses and eyetracking software? They could force higher ping and longer zoning times if they wanted, removing the advantage people have from modern internet and computers compared to what existed in 1999, but I don't see any legal way they can stop someone from using better mouses and mouse-alternative devices.

GMs can always teleport to you, watch how you are playing, and decide if you are playing by the rules or not.

By all means, please get a Palladius Axe and start doing your offhand weaving with scripts and hardware. You'll parse higher than other Warriors, and the GMs may wonder why.

I won't be taking those risks on an account I've put a ton of time into. Raid targets will still die without the +14 DPS from a few Rangers and Warriors.

Most players on P99 won't follow your lead. It's not worth it. If you could do this strategy without scripts and/or hardware, people would be doing it already. Monks on P99 (including myself) fistweave because you don't need scripts and/or hardware to do it.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it isn't. You obviously haven't even tried.

It's only a matter of how consistent someone is able to be depending on the weapon delay they are working with, and how much effort they want to put in. Back in 1999 it was common for a melee character to have zero haste, and that's still the case for a new server or a corpse run. When you have 4+ seconds to spare between swings of your Two-hander, you should absolutely be offhand weapon swapping if you care about increasing your DPS. Same for when you have 3 seconds to spare (the typical attack speed even while hasted, for characters at the levels where they have lower amounts of haste); it can be performed consistently with that much of a window.

Are you truly hanging your augment on unhasted people in 1999 and corpse runs?

I would appreciate specifics about what gear combo makes sense outside the allegation that if you aren’t reliably clicking 6 times a second (presumed 40 delay with 3 seconds to spare) you aren’t a tryhard.

Personally with 91% self haste and a 38 delay 2h this just isn’t happening with manual mouse clicks. Not without the chance of slowing the 2h swings even on occasion which is a more significant dps loss.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If "nobody" is going to do it, even just 1 time to hit a record parse or for a solo artist challenge, or to save the party/themselves from death in a close fight, then they are bad players.

This game is not competitive, and the mechanics involved in weapon swapping are not exactly fun, so it's understandable why most EQ players are bad/lazy. But people DO care about leveling faster, so everyone should be aware of the mechanic and use it if they care to put the effort in. It's similar to only moving/casting inbetween meditate ticks as a caster. Most people are too lazy to even do that, but I did it a lot and got more performance out of my characters. It's satisfying in the cases where it makes a difference in being able to hold down multiple spawns on recharge or not.

There are about a dozen ways to turn a battle with a hybrid and almost as many with a warrior using discs, procs and instant clicks. Outside racing and some pull tricks this is a slow game that rewards thinkers, not quick clickers. We carry wort pots, mystic cloaks, serpent blood potions, leatherfoot caps, and repeatedly quest soulfires. We deliberate over gear choices and prepare for everything…the game seldom surprises and when it does a Wuoshi Scimitar isn’t saving the day.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People click more than 6 times every 2 seconds in many competitive games, and this is quite easy if no mouse precision is required. And in the case of clicking normally, you only need to do it over the course of 3-4 seconds when having less haste.

Those are different games. The titanium doesn’t play well with rapid inputs and often fails to register mouse button presses in quick succession, particularly with items on cursor.


I’m sure field testing previously disproved this suggestion? It worked better on Quarm.

[kjs86z2]

imagine taking 1999 elf sim this far