Scout Quest is Going Away (Woot)

[Ciderpress]

It's honestly one of the few legitimately pro-social things on the server; people from guilds who normally hate eachother cooperate and you kinda get to know the people who show up regularly until they get their pixel, so it's always a rotating social thing kinda. It's cool and good.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's honestly one of the few legitimately pro-social things on the server; people from guilds who normally hate eachother cooperate and you kinda get to know the people who show up regularly until they get their pixel, so it's always a rotating social thing kinda. It's cool and good.

Classic != "cool and good". And again, it does have a hidden cost: it discourages more meaningful social interaction (ie. guilds).

Look, we've lost so much from classic here: half the players just buy their epics, but on live everyone who wanted an epic had to make friends (ie. join guilds). The current Scout meta just further compounds that.

[Ciderpress]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classic != "cool and good". And again, it does have a hidden cost: it discourages more meaningful social interaction (ie. guilds).

Look, we've lost so much from classic here: half the players just buy their epics, but on live everyone who wanted an epic had to make friends (ie. join guilds). The current Scout meta just further compounds that.

I can agree on the epics thing, that does legit make me sad. I disagree scout is anything like that though, I just think it's a cool organic thing.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's a cool organic thing.

For the record, I think it's a cool organic thing too! Again, I helped found the Shady/Angry system, and it was obviously inspired by Scout. Given the staff-set meta I think it's the best way to handle Scout. Period.

My argument isn't that it's bad or uncool (although I'm a big fan of classic EQ, so in some sense anything unclassic is "uncool" to me). My argument is that the current meta encourages something unclassic, and since the goal of this place is classic, the meta should be changed to be as close as possible to '99-'01. That means bringing your own raid force to ring wars, to Garzicor fights ... and to Scout.

[shovelquest]

Hmm, on my classic server, there was a physical line of people in Najina, from outside drelzna room. And as each person that joined the group got their Jboots, the next person in line was added to the group, the line was like, a real line of people standing, sitting, and waiting.

On top of that it was Rallos Zek, a pvp server!

So it seems specifically classic to me that these exist in certain spots.

[Trexller]

we're gonna have to disable all MQs now too, MQs discourage joining guilds

you're not a member of the guild who killed the mob

so you can't have any loot unless you quit your job, neglect your family, and poopsock mobs 20 hours a day

don't even think about getting a chance to roll on a tranquil staff, the monk needs it more then you, what do you think this is, a lottery system?

[shovelquest]

I will say, that they did stop Jboots from dropping, and moved it to the stupid ass quest that they did specifcally because players (like loramin lol) complained about it taking 24 hours to wait in the line (Thats how long it took me, 25 exactly!) to get a pair of boots.

So... loramin ruining scout on p99 is, extremely classic too.

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[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmm, on my classic server, there was a physical line of people in Najina, from outside drelzna room. And as each person that joined the group got their Jboots, the next person in line was added to the group, the line was like, a real line of people standing, sitting, and waiting.

On top of that it was Rallos Zek, a pvp server!

So it seems specifically classic to me that these exist in certain spots.

Apples and oranges. People wait their turn to kill a mob (that drops solo- or group-level loot) all the time, both here and on live; it's obviously classic.

What isn't classic is that back in '01 unguilded strangers didn't have raid loot handed to them for rolling high! If you wanted raid loot, whether it was an epic, planar armor, the nifty dwarf ring, or anything else, you joined a guild. You helped them, and they helped you get that loot you wanted.

It is an undisputed fact that this is how players did Scout in '01.

[shovelquest]

Bobs aren't anymore raid loot than Jboots were. They're identical fruits.

Both would be obtained by "groups of players getting together" (Guilds didn't even exist back then!)

Rather than a player made agreement of any 1 solo person appearing and getting the loot handed to them.

(also PLZ make p99 gold have jboots from Drelzna!)

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bobs aren't anymore raid loot than Jboots were. They're identical fruits.

Both would be obtained by "groups of players getting together" (Guilds didn't even exist back then!

Guilds didn't exist in Velious? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But back to the "identical fruits", it's very simple: the scout loot ... especially back on live (where players had poorer average gear) ... required a raid force. JBoots did not.

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(also PLZ make p99 gold have jboots from Drelzna!)

It would be shocking if they didn't, since that's the classic way ... and since the staff already went through the trouble of coding it for Green (I actually got my most recent pair of JBoots from her).