Scout Quest is Going Away (Woot)

[shovelquest]

Hmm, on my classic server, there was a physical line of people in Najina, from outside drelzna room. And as each person that joined the group got their Jboots, the next person in line was added to the group, the line was like, a real line of people standing, sitting, and waiting.

On top of that it was Rallos Zek, a pvp server!

So it seems specifically classic to me that these exist in certain spots.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmm, on my classic server, there was a physical line of people in Najina, from outside drelzna room. And as each person that joined the group got their Jboots, the next person in line was added to the group, the line was like, a real line of people standing, sitting, and waiting.

On top of that it was Rallos Zek, a pvp server!

So it seems specifically classic to me that these exist in certain spots.

Apples and oranges. People wait their turn to kill a mob (that drops solo- or group-level loot) all the time, both here and on live; it's obviously classic.

What isn't classic is that back in '01 unguilded strangers didn't have raid loot handed to them for rolling high! If you wanted raid loot, whether it was an epic, planar armor, the nifty dwarf ring, or anything else, you joined a guild. You helped them, and they helped you get that loot you wanted.

It is an undisputed fact that this is how players did Scout in '01.

[Trexller]

we're gonna have to disable all MQs now too, MQs discourage joining guilds

you're not a member of the guild who killed the mob

so you can't have any loot unless you quit your job, neglect your family, and poopsock mobs 20 hours a day

don't even think about getting a chance to roll on a tranquil staff, the monk needs it more then you, what do you think this is, a lottery system?

[shovelquest]

I will say, that they did stop Jboots from dropping, and moved it to the stupid ass quest that they did specifcally because players (like loramin lol) complained about it taking 24 hours to wait in the line (Thats how long it took me, 25 exactly!) to get a pair of boots.

So... loramin ruining scout on p99 is, extremely classic too.

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[shovelquest]

Bobs aren't anymore raid loot than Jboots were. They're identical fruits.

Both would be obtained by "groups of players getting together" (Guilds didn't even exist back then!)

Rather than a player made agreement of any 1 solo person appearing and getting the loot handed to them.

(also PLZ make p99 gold have jboots from Drelzna!)

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bobs aren't anymore raid loot than Jboots were. They're identical fruits.

Both would be obtained by "groups of players getting together" (Guilds didn't even exist back then!

Guilds didn't exist in Velious? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But back to the "identical fruits", it's very simple: the scout loot ... especially back on live (where players had poorer average gear) ... required a raid force. JBoots did not.

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(also PLZ make p99 gold have jboots from Drelzna!)

It would be shocking if they didn't, since that's the classic way ... and since the staff already went through the trouble of coding it for Green (I actually got my most recent pair of JBoots from her).

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would be shocking if they didn't, since that's the classic way, and since the staff already went through the trouble of coding it for Green (I actually got my most recent pair of JBoots from her).

Thats cool I didnt remember that on green. And no, not 'no guilds during vel', I was talking about my example, during drelzna. Suggesting groups, at the time were essentially the same thing as what you consider guilds to be in this scout argument.

Your argument is:

A guild requires players to group together to get an item. But scout rule doesn't make guilding worth it.

I compare it to:

In Drelzna's case a group is required to get the item, but the players organizing doesn't make grouping worth it.

My Judgment:

In classic they changed drelzna to stop this behavior because of players complaining about it.

So it would make sense for the server to institute new rules that stopped this behavior on p99 because of a player complaining about it.

It would, simulate a classic rules decision in real time with the modern server that would therefore evoke an overall classic feeling for us all to experinece once again.

So there you go, Ive made my decision, go ahead and make it happen loramin!

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In classic they changed drelzna to stop this behavior because of players complaining about it.

So it would make sense for the server to institute new rules that stopped this behavior on p99 because of a player complaining about it.

P.S. If it makes you feel any better, I have a terrible track record: I've complained about lots of things here, and the staff have ignored at least 95% of what I bitch about (/cough charming /cough).

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P.S. If it makes you feel any better, I have a terrible track record: I've complained about lots of things here, and the staff have ignored at least 95% of what I bitch about (/cough charming /cough).

plz use my data to win the charm fight!

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[loramin]

Ok, I follow your logic now (that no guilds thing threw me) ... but I still think your examples are apples and oranges, or at least apples and pears. Waiting in line for the most popular mob ... that a player could solo ... is not the same thing as waiting in line to get loot that requires a raid force all but handed to you.

Want to convince me otherwise? Go solo the Scout encounter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]