Monk v.s. Warrior

[Snaggles]

Iksar monks, “Innate regen is HUGE. The racial perk is class-making”
Paladins, “we get a 8hp regen that stacks with everything. It’s on page 11.”

Play the race you want. Put a fungi on either. Level 20% slower with the tail.

Monk is certainly easier. I think I’d rather have the warrior at the end though and go through the extra pain.

[cd288]

If that guy had actually leveled both Human and Iksar Monks to 60 then he wouldn't be saying the regen isn't that important. I mean, for sure pre-50 it's probably not that big of a deal (especially if the human has a fungi tunic). But in the 50s if you're soloing the Iksar regen definitely outpaces the time that you lose due to the EXP penalty (ESPECIALLY if you don't have a Fungi Tunic).

You might not see this massive gulf between the races if you just look at once level, but over the course of the entire 50-60 grind there is a significant difference in leveling time overall in favor of Iksar (obviously, not if you're just killing like 1 static spawn every 6:40 and just semi-AFK though). That being said, is it significant enough that I would say picking human is stupid if you enjoy playing a human monk? Not at all; play what you like...but if your goal is solely quickest/most efficient to level to 60 then it's Iksar.

[Toxigen]

the lizardpeepul walk among us

[Vexenu]

With or without a Fungi, a Human is faster if you know what you're doing. People underestimate the impact of a 20% XP penalty and overestimate the practical benefit of Regen. A few extra standing Regen per tick (which is what matters, not sitting Regen, because you're bandaging to 75% between kills, not sitting) is not enough of an advantage for the Iksar to kill 5 mobs for every 4 the Human kills. That's also assuming non-stop killing, which is rarely the case when soloing anyway (indeed, people solo a Monk largely to avoid the frenetic, non-stop pace of pulling for an XP group).

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With or without a Fungi, a Human is faster if you know what you're doing. People underestimate the impact of a 20% XP penalty and overestimate the practical benefit of Regen. A few extra standing Regen per tick (which is what matters, not sitting Regen, because you're bandaging to 75% between kills, not sitting) is not enough of an advantage for the Iksar to kill 5 mobs for every 4 the Human kills. That's also assuming non-stop killing, which is rarely the case when soloing anyway (indeed, people solo a Monk largely to avoid the frenetic, non-stop pace of pulling for an XP group).

In 50-60 you're not killing 5 mobs nonstop for every 4. But an Iksar can definitely killing faster overall with less downtime and every minute is critical if you're talking about leveling speed from 50-60 given how long that stretch takes. You will absolutely level faster as an Iksar (assuming same type of gear as the Human Monk has) from 50-60. If you're just chilling and soloing randomly and don't care about getting to 60, then yeah the earlier levels the Iksar regen just isn't going to make as much of a difference, but 50-60 is where you will level faster as Iksar.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In 50-60 you're not killing 5 mobs nonstop for every 4. But an Iksar can definitely killing faster overall with less downtime and every minute is critical if you're talking about leveling speed from 50-60 given how long that stretch takes. You will absolutely level faster as an Iksar (assuming same type of gear as the Human Monk has) from 50-60. If you're just chilling and soloing randomly and don't care about getting to 60, then yeah the earlier levels the Iksar regen just isn't going to make as much of a difference, but 50-60 is where you will level faster as Iksar.

As I said, you're underestimating the impact of a 20% XP penalty and overestimating the impact of a few extra points of standing regen. Monk soloing is about finding a low blue mob you can reliably kill losing about 50% of your health, bandaging back up to 75% and repeating. If you're sitting around to get full advantage of Iksar regen, you're doing it wrong. And in that case, you're also soloing slowly enough that the Human XP advantage on a per-kill basis would be even more pronounced. People are too caught on the regen numbers on paper rather than in real-world scenarios. Monks are not Necros or Shaman. They don't get the same efficiency returns that those classes do from extra regen because they don't solo the same way.

All that being said, more regen is ALWAYS better than less, and a level 60 Iksar is indisputably the statistical min/max superior choice to a Human (although their FashionQuest is far inferior). But you're deluding yourself if you think the Iksar levels faster due to regen. They really don't.

[questever]

If I choose monk, its going to be human 100%

However I have another predicament. i'm wondering if I should even twink the warrrior/monk because it would be gear dependent and I wouldnt fully understand the class and will look like a fool at higher levels in groups due to inexperience.

Should I just save my plat or just twink the shit out of my char?

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by questever [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I choose monk, its going to be human 100%

However I have another predicament. i'm wondering if I should even twink the warrrior/monk because it would be gear dependent and I wouldnt fully understand the class and will look like a fool at higher levels in groups due to inexperience.

Should I just save my plat or just twink the shit out of my char?

kinda depends on how fast you want to level

could grab a bunch of real cheap EC gear to start (wu's, etc) and just see if you like it

do you have a fungi?

twinking is relative to ones bankroll

[Philistine]

Originally Posted by questever [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I choose monk, its going to be human 100%

However I have another predicament. i'm wondering if I should even twink the warrrior/monk because it would be gear dependent and I wouldnt fully understand the class and will look like a fool at higher levels in groups due to inexperience.

Should I just save my plat or just twink the shit out of my char?

Imho it's worth at least getting a low budget EC weapon. Evem a 100pp weapon make a *huge* difference over starter or self-found weapons.

And don't sweat screwing up or looking a little silly in groups or raids - someone who is new to the game or the class is awesome! Most people are happy to explain stuff if you ask or are express uncertainty - if you happen to come across someone prickly (the forums are full of them!) just don't sweat it.

As for your initial question, I've heard (i dont have one) twinked monks are a blast to level, whereas I found my warrior frustrating to level. That said, the payoff for warriors is very worth it if you're going to gear them up at 60, imho.

[skulldudes]

you can learn the nuance of a class whether you're twinked to the gills or making your own patchwork and tarnished

you can also get all the way to 60 and still suck. gear doesn't matter in this regard, just conscious effort.