Farming by leaving zone?

[Naethyn]

This is my understanding:

1. Outdoors you can only claim one single spawn point.
2. Indoors you can claim multiple spawn points within line of sight.
3. You must already be in the zone when it spawns.
4. You must engage a spawn within 30 seconds.
5. You are not required to remain in the zone if the spawn is not up.
6. Specific camps can have alternate well known rulings.
7. If a player has more than 4 mobs aggroed you may take mobs off of them. (bard kite)
8. If a mob spawned as a result of a quest or event you have 20 minutes to engage it. (cleric epic, aow)

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is my understanding:

1. Outdoors you can only claim one single spawn point.
2. Indoors you can claim multiple spawn points within line of sight.
3. You must already be in the zone when it spawns.
4. You must engage a spawn within 30 seconds.
5. You are not required to remain in the zone if the spawn is not up.
6. Specific camps can have alternate well known rulings.
7. If a player has more than 4 mobs aggroed you may take mobs off of them. (bard kite)
8. If a mob spawned as a result of a quest or event you have 20 minutes to engage it. (cleric epic, aow)

I was told by a GM very recently that you have to
(this is all if the matter goes to petition, and the ruling from the GMs would be as such)

a) keep the camp clear (if its a multi spawn camp) and
b) maintain a constant presence at the camp

if either of those criteria is not met, someone can set up shop at your camp, and if they can clear it, they can claim it

i was halfway done breaking into a camp during xp weekend, and someone leapfrogged and claimed the camp. GM said that they were allowed to do that, as we had not "established a clear presence" at the camp yet. then GM explained those two criteria for a "clear presence" at a camp. (indoor zone)

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was told by a GM very recently that you have to
(this is all if the matter goes to petition, and the ruling from the GMs would be as such)

a) keep the camp clear (if its a multi spawn camp) and
b) maintain a constant presence at the camp

if either of those criteria is not met, someone can set up shop at your camp, and if they can clear it, they can claim it

i was halfway done breaking into a camp during xp weekend, and someone leapfrogged and claimed the camp. GM said that they were allowed to do that, as we had not "established a clear presence" at the camp yet. then GM explained those two criteria for a "clear presence" at a camp. (indoor zone)

Yeah leapfrogging is pretty common (and shitty) tactic. Especially in Sebilis.

[cd288]

It has always been ruled that if you leave the zone you lose the camp. Whatever GM gave you that ruling was wrong. I believe even rogean has said before that if you leave zone you leave the camp. The pnp on the wiki, which has been drafted based on staff rulings and feedback, confirms this as well. Some player conventions for camps may be different but again those aren’t technically enforceable if someone truly wants the camp.

[Toxigen]

Who cares nobody is going into chardok to contest enchanters at their camps because they vacated the zone for 30 seconds.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who cares nobody is going into chardok to contest enchanters at their camps because they vacated the zone for 30 seconds.

Don't think he's talking about that

[Naethyn]

Getting leap frogged is allowed in the rules I posted.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Getting leap frogged is allowed in the rules I posted.

Yeah, leap frogged. But, the GM clarified to me that even if the camp is clear, and nobody is there keeping a constant presence, it is considered open. I might have misunderstood, but I was told that you have to be at the camp, even when nothing is up in order to claim a camp.

I've always given a few minutes grace period. Nobody at camp, but camp is clear? Nobody in zone? I'll wait a few minutes for someone to show up before I attempt to start taking over. But what the GM told me is that the grace period (seemingly 30 seconds) is only necessary if others players are physically at the camp. (It might take them a minute to buff up before they attempt to kill, etc)

Doesn't mean I won't continue giving few minutes grace period when I show up to an empty camp with no players in it --- but this GM made it apparent that isn't necessary. If nobody is at camp when you show up, you can claim it if you can clear it.

I don't petition for stuff like this, instead I log off or find something else to do. There's also no way to prove who was or wasn't in zone, as far as I know. Either way, I think players should have some reasoning skills to say, "Oh this person must have been clearing the camp. I'll leave them to it." And not pull out the PnP guide book and start LawyerQuesting over time-locked content that isn't going anywhere.

[long.liam]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, leap frogged. But, the GM clarified to me that even if the camp is clear, and nobody is there keeping a constant presence, it is considered open. I might have misunderstood, but I was told that you have to be at the camp, even when nothing is up in order to claim a camp.

I've always given a few minutes grace period. Nobody at camp, but camp is clear? Nobody in zone? I'll wait a few minutes for someone to show up before I attempt to start taking over. But what the GM told me is that the grace period (seemingly 30 seconds) is only necessary if others players are physically at the camp. (It might take them a minute to buff up before they attempt to kill, etc)

Doesn't mean I won't continue giving few minutes grace period when I show up to an empty camp with no players in it --- but this GM made it apparent that isn't necessary. If nobody is at camp when you show up, you can claim it if you can clear it.

I don't petition for stuff like this, instead I log off or find something else to do. There's also no way to prove who was or wasn't in zone, as far as I know. Either way, I think players should have some reasoning skills to say, "Oh this person must have been clearing the camp. I'll leave them to it." And not pull out the PnP guide book and start LawyerQuesting over time-locked content that isn't going anywhere.

Yeah true. The other player would still have to clear all the PHs out of the Camp before they can even stake a claim on the camp. Another player can't just move in and say I'm claiming this camp. They actually have to get FTE on the PHs when they respawn. You having previously killed the PHs would have the advantage here, since you would know exactly when they will respawn. A GM previously told me that in order claim a camp you have to maintain a presence at the camp and kill all the PHs at least on 2 respawns before you can claim the camp.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, leap frogged. But, the GM clarified to me that even if the camp is clear, and nobody is there keeping a constant presence, it is considered open. I might have misunderstood, but I was told that you have to be at the camp, even when nothing is up in order to claim a camp.

I've always given a few minutes grace period. Nobody at camp, but camp is clear? Nobody in zone? I'll wait a few minutes for someone to show up before I attempt to start taking over. But what the GM told me is that the grace period (seemingly 30 seconds) is only necessary if others players are physically at the camp. (It might take them a minute to buff up before they attempt to kill, etc)

Doesn't mean I won't continue giving few minutes grace period when I show up to an empty camp with no players in it --- but this GM made it apparent that isn't necessary. If nobody is at camp when you show up, you can claim it if you can clear it.

I don't petition for stuff like this, instead I log off or find something else to do. There's also no way to prove who was or wasn't in zone, as far as I know. Either way, I think players should have some reasoning skills to say, "Oh this person must have been clearing the camp. I'll leave them to it." And not pull out the PnP guide book and start LawyerQuesting over time-locked content that isn't going anywhere.

Generally how I've seen it done is if you are still in the zone and only leave the camp for a bit and are back before the next spawn, a GM will usually say it's still your camp. Easy example: Sisters in LFay, you've cleared the camp and are just making the short run to the elf vendors and back. If you're back for the next spawn it's usually ruled as still your camp.

If you leave the zone, you cannot still lay claim to the camp.