I know it's not classic, but...

[cd288]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Lmao

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have seen so many twinked monks (I assume twinked) as I was leveling, that it made the monk class seem like the most broken in the game

I’d be thinking I was OP soloing stuff in Sol B on enc, then some monk would come in who was 5 levels lower than me and be wrecking stuff doing fast hits of like 120 damage, killing much faster than me since I was relying on a charmed mob that’s whiffing like crazy miss miss miss miss miss “wow this shit is boring why can’t they hit each other”, meanwhile the monk has killed like 3 mobs at 5 levels lower than me

Only now in around the mid-50’s have charmed mobs been able to match the twinked monk’s damage, but I bet they still aren’t swinging as fast or hitting as often without buffs

Couple of things here:

1) Don't sweat the twink monks. That is precisely what they are designed to do. Take comfort in once you're both 60 you'll have access to all the most lucrative camps in the game as a solo enc.

2) Keep an eye out for clerics or necros LFG. 2 totally different duo setups...for pure XP I think necro is better if you guys can hit up an undead charm spot. Honestly necro/enc is the fastest leveling duo in the entire game (outside of bard swarm crap).


Until 60 and farming, as a solo enc you really don't need to torch / haste pets. Its more efficient to let your charm pet get low, finish it for full xp w/ a nuke, grab a freshie, and keep going. This is especially true if you're undergeared and less experienced as a torched pet is far less forgiving when the ole RNG comes to bite you in the ass.

@unsung, you on blue on green?

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Couple of things here:

1) Don't sweat the twink monks. That is precisely what they are designed to do. Take comfort in once you're both 60 you'll have access to all the most lucrative camps in the game as a solo enc.

2) Keep an eye out for clerics or necros LFG. 2 totally different duo setups...for pure XP I think necro is better if you guys can hit up an undead charm spot. Honestly necro/enc is the fastest leveling duo in the entire game (outside of bard swarm crap).


Until 60 and farming, as a solo enc you really don't need to torch / haste pets. Its more efficient to let your charm pet get low, finish it for full xp w/ a nuke, grab a freshie, and keep going. This is especially true if you're undergeared and less experienced as a torched pet is far less forgiving when the ole RNG comes to bite you in the ass.

@unsung, you on blue on green?

Kk good to know

Green

[unsunghero]

It’s those crazy staves man. What is that, the Tstaff? They’re always clobbering stuff with a 2h staff

I’m one of the least experienced enchanters on this forum, but I think some people who haven’t played one might underestimate just how often charmed mobs miss each other. They really don’t swing all that fast and they miss all the damn time. I’ve had fights that have gone what feels like 4+ minutes of miss miss miss miss miss. It’s easy yes, but I wouldn’t call it necessarily fast

Of course it’s faster to get one and crash it into 2-3 others but that’s not always possible to set up and harder to safely charm break without ggr without risking your little friend dying

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s those crazy staves man. What is that, the Tstaff? They’re always clobbering stuff with a 2h staff

I’m one of the least experienced enchanters on this forum, but I think some people who haven’t played one might underestimate just how often charmed mobs miss each other. They really don’t swing all that fast and they miss all the damn time. I’ve had fights that have gone what feels like 4+ minutes of miss miss miss miss miss. It’s easy yes, but I wouldn’t call it necessarily fast

Of course it’s faster to get one and crash it into 2-3 others but that’s not always possible to set up and harder to safely charm break without ggr without risking your little friend dying

Yeah it's tough to compare a fungi + tstaff + CoF fully buffed monk to essentially a naked enchanter. That level of twinking sub-50 is just going to destroy everything. I'm honestly not sure DPS wise how it would compare. I'm fairly confident that a fully kitted/buffed rogue charm pet is still going to clown even a twinked monk. Regular warrior mob charm? Maybe not? Not really sure. Charm DPS overtakes even the most twinked melees at a certain point but it's debatable exactly where that point is. It also sounds like you aren't hasting or giving your pets weapons. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing when soloing if your goal is to get both mobs low and break charm/nuke method. But it certainly isn't the most optimal way to do the most DPS with charms. In a group setting with weapons and haste the damage will be considerably different.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah it's tough to compare a fungi + tstaff + CoF fully buffed monk to essentially a naked enchanter. That level of twinking sub-50 is just going to destroy everything. I'm honestly not sure DPS wise how it would compare. I'm fairly confident that a fully kitted/buffed rogue charm pet is still going to clown even a twinked monk. Regular warrior mob charm? Maybe not? Not really sure. Charm DPS overtakes even the most twinked melees at a certain point but it's debatable exactly where that point is. It also sounds like you aren't hasting or giving your pets weapons. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing when soloing if your goal is to get both mobs low and break charm/nuke method. But it certainly isn't the most optimal way to do the most DPS with charms. In a group setting with weapons and haste the damage will be considerably different.

I mean ok, I know you can give the charmed pet a torch or w/e and haste it, but honestly that never really appealed to me for leveling for a couple reasons:

1. I don’t like dying
2. You have to give up 50% exp every kill. I’d rather break it and kill both, or if the target came out way ahead than that’s the new pet
3. Even all tricked out and a higher level, these guys seem to be only able to kill 3ish mobs before they are too low health, unless you want to be berzerking buffing them over and over which gets mana intensive. You can break charm and mez/blur them but that feels kinda awkward, kinda slow (waiting for their health to chunk back up)

I’m sure at near max level there’s some really underconned monster pets you can set up though, but that’s probably more for a fun factor or farming goal than exp

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean ok, I know you can give the charmed pet a torch or w/e and haste it, but honestly that never really appealed to me for leveling for a couple reasons:

1. I don’t like dying
2. You have to give up 50% exp every kill. I’d rather break it and kill both, or if the target came our way ahead than that’s the new pet
3. Even all tricked out and a higher level, these guys seem to be only able to kill 3ish mobs before they are too low health, unless you want to be berzerking buffing them over and over which gets mana intensive. You can break charm and mez/blur them but that feels kinda awkward, kinda slow (waiting for their health to chunk back up)

I’m sure at near max level there’s some really underconned monster pets you can set up though, but that’s probably more for a fun factor or farming goal than exp

Like I said absolutely nothing wrong with not hasting or weaponizing if you're soloing and doing the break and kill method over and over. In this scenario though you're purposely not doing as much damage as you could be doing in favor of efficiency (and you're killing 2 mobs at a time this way). Your class is capable of as much/more damage than even those incredibly twinked monks. It just may not be the most efficient to do while soloing. Find a cleric friend to duo with then give your pets haste + torch + muzzle of mardu and enjoy absolutely demolishing everything [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said absolutely nothing wrong with not hasting or weaponizing if you're soloing and doing the break and kill method over and over. In this scenario though you're purposely not doing as much damage as you could be doing in favor of efficiency (and you're killing 2 mobs at a time this way). Your class is capable of as much/more damage than even those incredibly twinked monks. It just may not be the most efficient to do while soloing. Find a cleric friend to duo with then give your pets haste + torch + muzzle of mardu and enjoy absolutely demolishing everything [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol k ya that does sound kinda fun. Need to find some friends someday

[cd288]

TLDR for most of your posts on these forums: "Whenever someone says I am wrong they are trolling"

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TLDR for most of your posts on these forums: "Whenever someone says I am wrong they are trolling"

No. You are trolling when you make ridiculous strawmen, like the claim that I said "Warriors DPS better than Charmed Enchanter Pets no matter what".

I have always said "Warriors can do at least as much DPS as a Charmed Enchanter Pet with decent weapons and a haste item, levels 1-30". I showed parses to back this up. You can check my post history lol. You won't find this strawman you keep attacking.