JBB, is it really that good?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what im wondering is why on earth you recommended that poor new guy re-roll to troll for a jbb

come argue with me in the other thread

.... I didn't. I said he shouldn't re-roll. I just gave him some tips for if he chose to do it anyway.

This is precisely why I keep saying people don't read lol.

[pacmaster]

Yes, JBB lives up to the hype. I've found fungi > JBB = epic, at least through mid 50s.

[red_demonman]

Didn't read rest of post but at 60 - not that great. For leveling until then, pretty great. That's all you really need to know.

[Duik]

Last word achieved.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I took a look at my monks logs, I have all his combat logs from level 28 to 40. All of these mobs are unslowed.

The mobs landed a bash 1791 times, and missed their bashes 2263 times.

The mobs landed a kick 798 times, and missed their kicks 999 times.

1791 + 2263 + 798 + 999 = 5851 secondary attacks.

Total bashes = 4056

5851 * 0.75 = 4388

Based on this data, I can safely say the chance to bash is still 75%.

The number of times I was stunned is 598 times, so it looks like the chance to be stunned is 10%.

[Jimjam]

I don’t like using the phrase ‘secondary’ to mean kick/bash as it is also the name of the slot used to make dual wield attacks. Is there another phrase we could use?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t like using the phrase ‘secondary’ to mean kick/bash as it is also the name of the soot used to make dual wield attacks. Is there another phrase we could use?

I am not sure actually. I was using Sakuragi's terminology since we were discussing his article, but I don't know if there is a more official word for it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Did a bit of a deeper dive. I have years of logs, so I can simply check how often I am getting bashed, stunned and kicked. This data is from 2018 to present.

 

Troll SK 55-58
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448 total stuns from bashes

6519 successful bashes

12040 missed bashes

2262 successful kicks

4678 missed kicks

Human Enchanter 13-30
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452 total stuns from bashes

1313 successful bashes

830 missed bashes

567 successful kicks

356 missed kicks

Gnome Warrior 1-24
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377 total stuns from bashes

1408 successful bashes

1812 missed bashes

578 successful kicks

733 missed kicks

Iksar Monk 10-40
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1471 total stuns from bashes

4058 successful bashes

4529 missed bashes

1878 successful kicks

2116 missed kicks

Ogre Shaman 60 (has more log data than all of the characters above combined)
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507 total stuns. This number isn't very accurate when it comes to stuns from bashes, because this character specifically is fighting casters a lot. I also have a lot of raid logs here, which means I am in a lot more situations where I am getting hit from behind.

7876 successful bashes

11946 missed bashes

3066 successful kicks

4343 missed kicks

Data totals
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Total stuns (non Ogre) = 2748

total successful bashes (non Ogre) = 13298

total missed bashes (non Ogre) = 19,211

Chance to be stunned = 2748/13298 = 0.2066 x 100 = 20%

Total Bashes (non Ogre) = 32509

Total Kicks (non Ogre) = 13208

Total Bashes/Kicks = 45717

45717 X 0.75 = 34287
45717 X 0.70 = 32001

Due to 32509 being close to 32001, it looks like it is a 70% chance to land a bash, not 75%.

In conclusion there is a 70% chance to be bashed per bash/kick attempt, and a 20% chance to be stunned on a bash hit.

Bashes landed 70% of the time, so the total chance of being stunned per bash/kick attempt is 14% (20 x 0.7) while the mob is unslowed, every 8 seconds.

[Jimjam]

Hmmm i think the stun rate isn’t fixed.

I don’t recall ever having an LDC stunning my 59 warrior (half elf) on red. I only remember getting stunned on hits to the rear when training out the zone.

The person could be right whom said stun chance may depend on level difference.

[Toxigen]

imagine arguing about 1999 game racials over a beautiful weekend