why cant we just have Red server reset?

[waltjig]

Originally Posted by New_Guy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most people could watch someone using cheats and have no clue, and there is this idea that someone using cheats is gonna auto win so if they die they weren't using cheats, this is also false.

Show Eq is just gonna give you a loose idea of who is in what zone and tell you which mobs are up. Ever see a guy zone in right as the AC came up, yea showEQ. Or someone find people in the middle of nowhere over and over again. A shit ton of people were using showEQ on red and prolly still are because it's very hard to detect.

MQ on the other hand gives you access to the GM/Guide commands that were hardcoded into the game. Some of the MQ uses are very obvious like player invulnerability and super speed, others are not. A caster could turn off melee knockback effects and be almost impossible to interrupt and you would have no clue or a melee could be stalking you with PC invis and you would have no clue.

I have killed tons of players while using MQ, it has flaws and they can't use invulnerability without really risking being caught. I killed Kirban and Fansy on live while they was using MQ, quite a few times. Killed HPT while using it on red and watched players find me hidden in the middle of nowhere without a tracker more times than I can count. I can list 20 players using showEQ on there and there is 20 more I suspect and at least 15 that I highly suspected of MQ use.

Bottom-line is most players would have no clue when a cheat is being used right in front of them so they assume no one is, but tons of players are actually cheating, so much more than you ever imagined. For every cheating player caught 10 more got away with it, and if you see a GM catch someone using MQ and only one person was banned you best believe he gave out that compile to his friends.

God damn, your whore of a mother really should have just swallowed that load. You may be the single most useless and pathetic soul on this rock spinning through space. Congrats faggot

[Cwall 146.0]

Originally Posted by reebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I almost never felt like people were cheating, because I never felt like anyone had an advantage over me.

pretty much how I felt, except with people I had a bias toward due to a history of hacking or developing hacks (like handpartytowel)

the only time I suspected someone of cheating was when I was fighting nizzar in cazic thule, a group of nihilum ported in, I 18 second tstaff proc'd nizzar, zoned out, ran to a random spot north/northeast into feerrott, nizzar zoned in 20 seconds after me, and somehow he beelined up to me behind a tree with no one else in zone

either way, if he were using showeq, it didn't help him by finding me because I just killed him anyway

if you're good at the game and knowledgeable, someone else cheating is not going to affect you very much and it's not going to be noticeable, unless it's some bodu/abacab type shit

if you think people are frequently cheating, it's probably because you're trying to cope with sucking at the game

[Disease]

Originally Posted by Cwall 146.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pretty much how I felt, except with people I had a bias toward due to a history of hacking or developing hacks (like handpartytowel)

the only time I suspected someone of cheating was when I was fighting nizzar in cazic thule, a group of nihilum ported in, I 18 second tstaff proc'd nizzar, zoned out, ran to a random spot north/northeast into feerrott, nizzar zoned in 20 seconds after me, and somehow he beelined up to me behind a tree with no one else in zone

either way, if he were using showeq, it didn't help him by finding me because I just killed him anyway

if you're good at the game and knowledgeable, someone else cheating is not going to affect you very much and it's not going to be noticeable, unless it's some bodu/abacab type shit

if you think people are frequently cheating, it's probably because you're trying to cope with sucking at the game

This clown will go to his grave talking about Nizzar lol

[reebz]

Well I guess it didn't matter that they cheated then because in the end it didn't make a difference I still won ALL the time

[New_Guy]

Originally Posted by reebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well I guess it didn't matter that they cheated then because in the end it didn't make a difference I still won ALL the time

Oh no it mattered, because the world doesn't revolve around one person you selfish little shit.

While a skilled PvPer could still defeat someone using cheats or escape a well timed ambush there are tons of players who won't. That player is gonna get items they shouldn't have gotten, stealing them from another player who would have earned them.

Even a terrible player using showEq is gonna blow up the leaderboards as they will KNOW where other players are and finding other people is often the hardest part of pvp. It will also allow big guilds to push the timers on NPCs as they will know exactly when every mob is up.

All these little things add up more and more, chipping away at the population until you are left with just a small amount of cheaters.

[Gustoo]

Hey I know lets all agree cheating is bad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Thrilla]

Logged in yesterday just to check if my toon was still there. I got taken aback when I realized the char creation was 2012. 10 years, crazy - while I appreciate Rogean's intent to ensure nobody lost their progress, the players that populated red don't really care because the server is dead and they would trade all their pixels for a new box ran by p99 in a heartbeat.

I ported and ran around to see if I could find anyone to kill.. I have more memories from red than I do from live -- it was nice to reminisce about all those KC/DL/EJ/TT battles -- the race to 60, OOT seafury farming before Kunark etc. Velious killed the box.

I will say if a reset or a new server hasn't happened in 10 years, it probably won't.. and while I miss EQ PvP for some of the aforementioned reasons in this thread, I just don't care enough to play in a garage box with bad code. Maybe one day they'll be an announcement. It's so weird too because starting a new server must be such minimal effort for them. Oh well!

[Disease]

Originally Posted by Thrilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Logged in yesterday just to check if my toon was still there. I got taken aback when I realized the char creation was 2012. 10 years, crazy - while I appreciate Rogean's intent to ensure nobody lost their progress, the players that populated red don't really care because the server is dead and they would trade all their pixels for a new box ran by p99 in a heartbeat.

I ported and ran around to see if I could find anyone to kill.. I have more memories from red than I do from live -- it was nice to reminisce about all those KC/DL/EJ/TT battles -- the race to 60, OOT seafury farming before Kunark etc. Velious killed the box.

I will say if a reset or a new server hasn't happened in 10 years, it probably won't.. and while I miss EQ PvP for some of the aforementioned reasons in this thread, I just don't care enough to play in a garage box with bad code. Maybe one day they'll be an announcement. It's so weird too because starting a new server must be such minimal effort for them. Oh well!

Ya... See you here next week still begging.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Thrilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will say if a reset or a new server hasn't happened in 10 years, it probably won't.. and while I miss EQ PvP for some of the aforementioned reasons in this thread, I just don't care enough to play in a garage box with bad code. Maybe one day they'll be an announcement. It's so weird too because starting a new server must be such minimal effort for them. Oh well!

Thats what i mean by treating the community poorly. Why cant they just pop in the thread and say either one of those 3 things:

"Were sorry to have given you hope, for reason X it will not happen"

"Were still working on it, we got delayed and cant give you a fixed timeline sorry"

"Its coming, in x months we are close to finishing it"

They cant complain were being bitter after doing this sort of stuff

[Gustoo]

Agreed. Permanent no news sucks and it’s been like this since beta when no one heard shit about changes being made based on beta experience till there was a patch and the game was live :/

Dear p99 team, why?